No MoreTwinkies....
By chrystalia
@chrystalia (1208)
Tucson, Arizona
November 16, 2012 3:22pm CST
well, it's official-- Hostess is closing. They have been in bankruptcy for a while, of course, but their continued trouble with the unions is the final cause of their death. The unions wouldn't compromise-- no surprise there, of course. So now, because of union greed, no one will have jobs anymore at Hostess.
I won't miss the Twinkies, but I will miss the cupcakes .
Yes, there are companies, worldwide, that exploit workers. Yes, workers should be well treated. But this is far from the only, and far from the last American company that will fall prey to unions. Quite a few U.S. cities have had to declare bankruptcy, due to increasingly extortionist union demands. There's something wrong when a garbage man can make more than a teacher. There's something wrong when an automobile assembly line worker can make more than a psychiatrist.
And now, Walmart workers are planning a walkout on Black Friday-- engineered by their unions. I have no doubt Walmart is at least partially at fault here-- know people who work for them, and conditions aren't the best by any means. But Unions, and their unrealistic demands, are part of the reason America doesn't compete well in the world market.
So, no more Twinkies, ho ho's, cupcakes-- very sad.
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@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
16 Nov 12
Not sure why they didnt sell recipes to other companies. They at least could have paid the bills.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
16 Nov 12
While they were still in business, they guarded them carefully-- now, they probably will be sold, as part of the assets of the company. But they still won't be the "same", from a psychological point of view-- and all the workers who now don't have jobs won't see a benefit, as the existing major bakeries are not expanding. The major baking sector is highly competitive, with low profit margins-- so they can't afford to expand. Some of those more skilled workers may get jobs with other companies, but many won't.
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@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
17 Nov 12
Yes.. I would bet a big company like nabisco will try and buy them. Lets hope so.
@sonjablue (12)
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17 Nov 12
I can't believe they actually went out of business... now what are people going to stock up with for the "end of the world"? That was an ongoing joke forever.
They should have passed on the recipes, to keep it going.
I hope Nabisco buys them, that would be great.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
17 Nov 12
Not only Twinkies, but Wonderbread and a few other bakery type products.
There's only one consolation about them closing. All th jobs lost (18000?) are union jobs. People, beware. Join a union and you do what the union says, even if it means that you lose your job.
Of course not all companies give their employees good wages and benefits... so what? Better to work at minimum wage than to not work at all.
Hostess's situation is more complex than that, but the union gave it its final blow. How can this be acceptable to anyone?
@peavey (16936)
• United States
17 Nov 12
I agree with everything you've said, but I'm not so sure that unions have any positive effect on American workers at this point. At one time, they were helpful; now they are simply drunk with power.
Another reason they changed "full time" to 30 hours is so that companies would be required to pay for health care for more employees.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
17 Nov 12
As far as I am concerned, the unions ceased to be anything useful a long time ago-- now they are just legally protected thugs. And yes, they did lower the definition of full time from 37.5 hours to 30 hours to TRY to force companies to insure more people-- it's part of Obamacare-- but anyone who has ever taken economics 101 could have told them (as if they didn't know already) that the result would be just what's happening-- hours cuts. Of course at the moment, you don't get overtime pay until you pass 40 hours-- but that may change as well. But we may get lucky-- this may finally break the unions, at least when it comes to unskilled labor (and even skilled labor in some cases). My reasoning:
Company ABC is union organized. When told full time is now 30 hours, they decide to cut hours to stay in business. Union says NO WAY, we're striking-- company ABC hires strike breakers at a wage low enough to keep the people working full time and give insurance-- or if they really can't afford that, they hire strike breakers at a decent wage, but lower than union scale, and use the money saved to pay the fines. The union workers have no jobs, and the new employees won't go union-- because they want to KEEP their new jobs. This would stink for union workers, but--in all honesty-- I have never met a union worker I liked as a person, or trusted. There is NO WAY that not a single Hostess employee didn't realize this was a really bad idea-- and I wouldn't be surprised if employees started throwing unions out on their own, to protect their jobs. If they have any sense, they will-- the money they pay in dues could pay bills instead.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
17 Nov 12
Well-- unions have a place, but the way things work now, unions have way too much power. It shouldn't be acceptable, but unions are good at convincing workers that companies are evil blood sucking profiteers, oppressing the workers-- straight out of Lenin, Marx, etc-- and our administration. Redistribution of wealth comes directly from Karl Marx-- the founder of communism. people who are not in business, or who don't do the research and math themselves, just go by what the media and unions tell them.
And of course now the Unions are going to hold Walmart hostage-- walkouts on black Friday. Granted, Walmart has some pretty bad employment policies, but yes--- a job is a job, especially now. American workers are, to be blunt, spoiled.
And The administration has now redefined "full time" employment to be more than 30 hours instead of 37.5-- which, by the way, makes the basic unemployment figure the American people hear about in the media look even lower. The REAL unemployment figure is on the Bureau of Labor and Statistics website, for any journalist or ordinary person to see-- and it's currently 14.6 percent.
YES-- YOU READ THAT RIGHT. THE ADMINISTRATION, AND THE MEDIA, APPARENTLY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW-- 14.6%. It hasn't been below 14% for 4 years. and the figures the people get from the media are just as bad:
in January, 2008, unemployment (the "public" figure) was 4.8%. It is now 7.9%, and has been as high as 10% during 2009/2010. Real wages, as calculated by the Bureau, have fallen about 1% in the last year, while real expenses, as calculated by the bureau, have increased by about 3%-- but the consumer price index doesn't tell the whole story, of course. But now, of course, unemployment is going to drop dramatically-- because the corporate world will get rid of all the 40 hour people and replace them with 2 20 hour people. YAY! Unemployment cut in half!
The American people are being lied to. And the American people have only themselves to blame for listening to the media, and the administration, and Facebook, and movie stars-- the facts are right there, for anyone to read, and easy to understand. And it will get much worse, very quickly.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
16 Nov 12
I was never a Twinkie fan but I loved the Ding Dongs, though I haven't had one for years. I liked to freeze them then eat off the chocolate and those little bits of chocolate buried in the cake, then enjoy the cake with the frozen cream center. I'd peel Ho-Hos apart after eating the chocolate outside. Oh, YUM!!!
Think of all the jobs...not only Hostess workers but drivers of trucks, suppliers of flour and other ingredients, even parts for the delivery trucks and the tires that they had to buy for those trucks. Mechanics, shelf stockers, janitors...when a company this big goes down it's disastrous for so many more people than those that work directly for the company.
The proposal stated an 8% wage decrease but they'd get 4% of that back next year. Everything else would stay the same. So thousands lose their jobs because the union, like a spoiled kid, won't give up a couple bites of cake and prefers to lose the entire slice.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
16 Nov 12
Absolutely-- unions have gotten out of control. But then again, most unions were started by organized crime, or communists-- and between the two, organized crime is actually better for the workers, because they will take over a business sector and keep workers working-- they needed then, as they do now, legal businesses to launder illegal money-- and they also have no objection to making money in any form. hopefully, Hostess will sell the recipes as assets (though wouldn't on principal). But yes, when a big company like this goes down, a lot of other businesses fel the blow as well. Same with the Walmart strikes. Walmart employs 1.3 MILLION people, world wide-- the largest store of its type in the world. Sam Walton's policy used to be if they try to unionize, close the store-- and Walmart may go back to that strategy to protect themselves. In some ways that is wrong, but in other ways-- it's to be expected. Look at the way cities are being held hostage by public workers' unions-- the city goes bankrupt, the citizens suffer, but the unions get their money. Look who got the money first when the TAXPAYERS bought Chevy-- not the investors, not the workers-- the unions.
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@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
17 Nov 12
Unions have also ruiend many big and great companies here in mx over the years.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
18 Nov 12
AZ, where the other half of our business is/was, is a right to work state. I'm all in favor of that concept-- though sometimes it can been a pain dealing with all the labor regulations, and fighting fraudulent unemployment claims. The only good things about closing our business 31 December will be: no more sales tax hassles. No more employee re-training tax hassles. No more unemployment hassles. No more payroll hassles-- and no more employees. When we did the math last week, we discovered that we will actually be better off after we close the business-- it was amazing seeing how much we have lost in the last year (we're doing end of year books) and how much we are losing at the moment.
It will give the other half time to work on his mining equipment, since he is patenting it, and he can sell and make those things without employees-- so we are only keeping 2 to work with him on the mining claims, and then only until the equipment is selling.
Unions, now, have very little use. American workers don't seem to realize we have some of the best working conditions in the world. granted, some workers get exploited, but a lot of what I see people whining about amazes me-- I just don't get it-- you have a JOB. If you don't like the way you're treated-- quit.
@911Ricki (13588)
• Canada
17 Nov 12
I heard this on the radio the other day as well. Many in Toronto will be out of work now, because the factories are shut down now. Which means more out of work, more going on unemployment, meaning those who do work end up getting hit 10x hardier. Also the job market is hardier to get in now (not that it was easy before).
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
17 Nov 12
Yep-- between bad management and bad union reps, they were sunk. It's funny, since they actually started in 1903-- during the beginning of the Great Depression. And now they're closing under the same circumstances.
@hoseasmate (720)
• United States
18 Nov 12
I will miss the powder white donuts and the snoballs. I never liked twinkies, but the cupcakes were absolutely great. It seems that there are a lot of people who are in unions and strike to get what they want. The one that bothers me the most is the teachers union. In my state we have passed a lot of 'sin' taxes to pay for education and lucrative wages for the teachers, yet they continue to ask for more. If one wants to make the megabucks that others make, then go into the occupation that pays what you want. I agree that salaries may be low. The people who work in my industry (long term care) are paid wages that cannot be considered a 'living wage'. In other words, what they make will not support themselves. There must be another wage earner adding to their income in order for them to support themselves. I don't understand why workers don't understand and unions don't understand that wages can only be a portion of the entire budget of a company and that a company cannot continue to exist when wages exceed the revenues. RIP Hostess. Don't sell the recipes, we can't have a twinkies renaming contest!
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
16 Nov 12
i am in Canada and also heard this on the news up here this morning. not sure how it will affect us (are there any Canadian sites of this company?) but i am with you, i will miss the cupcakes.
in my city, highschool teachers are working to rule (which means no special activities, trips, etc). i sure hope they don't go on strike because if they do, i am sure my daughter will miss a lot and have to catch up.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
16 Nov 12
Their manufacturing facilities are in the USA I believe, but I know they probably sell up there. Down here, a lot of teachers have been reduced to buying their own supplies for special projects, and raising their own funds for field trips. The situation is ridiculous, and bad for the kids of course. I apparently ended up homeschooling because my son wasn't getting an education, despite all the money our district spent on education-- somehow the money just disappears before it gets where it's needed.
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
17 Nov 12
I used to like to get the little cherry fried pies when there was an outlet store near me and they $0.25; this was a long time ago and they were still 5 oz. What I will miss is their Nature's Pride sandwich loaf size 100% whole wheat bread. It was better than any of the others I have tried and healthier than most of them; for example it didn't have any high fructose corn syrup in it like several of the other brands do.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
17 Nov 12
yes, their bread products were very good. But look at it this way-- they will be selling the recipes, probably, so someone else will make it.
@jahernandezrivas (11288)
• United States
17 Nov 12
I saw that on the news that is so sad for all the employees! And I love twinkies and ding dongs they will be missed.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
17 Nov 12
yep-- and the jobs will be missed. A lot of employers can now be very picky about who they hire, with so many looking for work-- and these employees may pay for that. Or their union might force other bakeries to hire them, whether they need them or not, which would be worse.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
17 Nov 12
yep-- they are probably regretting spending part of their pay on union dues now, since that money could have been saved or paid living expenses.
@Sindelle (824)
• United States
17 Nov 12
Yes, I've heard the news. I never cared for Twinkies or any of their products but I am sad about the job losses.
They're a lot of strange people who like Twinkies. They're selling boxes of Twinkies for about $20-$25 each on ebay. If anyone misses these cakes they should try the Tastycake brand. They don't sell them in as many places because they're not loaded with so many preservatives but if you can find them they taste much better. They've been around for years and originate from PA. Their Butterscotch Krumpets are the best.
As for the way workers are being treated they should be treated well. I think part of the problem is that the economy is hitting the big companies hard and they're struggling to stay afloat as it is.
@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
17 Nov 12
For the industry they were in, they were treated fairly, actually--Americans enjoy the highest labor standards in the world. I loved the cupcakes and the snoballs, myself-- but I have tried tastycake, and yes, the butterscotch krumpets are very good, especially warm.