Income Tax Rant

..and "government doing it all" is what is (so conveniently) causing government to ever increase in $ize, reach and power..

Well said.

And it looks like most of the GOP is going to cave in and allow even MORE taxes to be levied, those of us on the bottom few rungs will bear the brunt of it, in higher costs for the goods we buy.

I think everyone on earth HATES taxes mimang.

Now deb--you know that's the best answer at this point. The republicans should plaster all over the news: 1. They have recanted their Norquist pledge, and are willing to discuss tax hikes --WITH THE SPENDING CUTS THE DEMS AND OBAMA SAID THEY WOULD AGREE TO--but are now saying no to. 2.It turns out the DEMS have signed pledges to oppose any REPUBLICAN efforts as well--why haven't the DEMS agreed to break their pledge? 3. The DEMS and liberals of all flavors are NOT trying to compromise, in the least. so the republicans should announce that since the democrats and the administration SEEM TO THINK they have a mandate, and they can do this without being fair or balanced--fine. They can have it, with a 4 year sunset term attached-- so after four years of abject failure--no one will be able to blame Bush. They need to start becoming more tech savvy, more Facebook and twitter savvy (since the great Campaigner has now launched yet another twitter tag and told the peepul to harass their leaders to give in) and they need to publicize that Warren Buffet, the Democratic poster boy for tax hikes on the rich, has a long record of making decisions based on tax impact--since he is lying through his teeth and saying the rich don't do that. Of course, if the government took ALL of his personal wealth, every PENNY--it would run the government for 9 days or so--which should also be pointed out, everywhere. Actually, the fiscal sneaker wave coming in February/March is more dangerous in ways than this cliff--the government financial reports that came out 31 October (gee, no wonder we didn't hear about them) show we are going to hit the debt ceiling again by the end of the year, or early next year-- just in time for all the early tax refunds and medicare/medicaid reimbursements to go out--- and if that isn't taken care of, we will be defaulting on our bills. The big ranking firms, including Standard and Poors, are already saying if this particular unnoticed "cliff" isn't addressed, they will ALL downgrade us.

So, we really DO WANT to go over that 'fiscal cliff' and let it crash, and then start over again?

Are you kidding me, expect the Democrats to own up to THEIR pledges? They promised Reagan spending cuts, AND Geo H.W. spending cuts too.... I say let it all hit the fan. Let it all crash. No one is going to fix it, no one really wants to fix it. DO or DIE.

Nah, what started it all was Wilson, and the Federal Reserve Act, and Income Tax Act. Nixon's taking us off the gold standard was just the cap stone. I'll take a look at your other discussion here in a minute.

[b]Don't know. We may be too far to get our freedoms back. This might call for a revolution--normal methods don't apply, since things have changed so much. I may not die soon enough to avoid the worst, & given the complete corruption permeating our nation, especially as regards voter fraud, we must fight on all fronts, & all the power is out of our hands. Which is why I look to God to take on the evils in which we're drowning. If there is a single answer to your question. it's this: pray. Maggiepie[/b]

I've been thinking along those same lines. And from what I'm seeing on social networks, so have many others.

So HOW do we get POWER back into the hands of the citizen?

I believe that the tax cuts end, which means taxes will go up kingparker, but nice try, I'd love it if we had not taxes to pay.

I'm busted! How'd you figure all that out?

And who started that, the lifetime income for ex's? Maybe there should be an UNorganized underground economy? NO MONEY spent, or made? Nah, we all don't get along good enough to make that happen. It'll crash first, then those of us who know how, will do just fine without money and banks.

You ever think of running for office? I'd vote for you!

You are the second person to suggest such a thing. My, my, my....the spirit of '76 is growing!

So would it be necessary to demand they take a pay cut and for go their pensions? HELL YEAH!

I say pay them what the median income of the common America citizen is at the time they're in office, and make them pay into social security and if they want...a 401K. Live like WE live.

On this day in 1861, Lincoln imposes the first federal income tax by signing the Revenue Act. Strapped for cash with which to pursue the Civil War, Lincoln and Congress agreed to impose a 3 percent tax on annual incomes over $800. As early as March 1861, Lincoln had begun to take stock of the federal government's ability to wage war against the South. He sent letters to cabinet members Edward Bates, Gideon Welles and Salmon Chase requesting their opinions as to whether or not the president had the constitutional authority to "collect [such] duties." According to documents housed and interpreted by the Library of http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/lincoln-imposes-first-federal-income-tax Congress, Lincoln was particularly concerned about maintaining federal authority over collecting revenue from ports along the southeastern seaboard, which he worried, might fall under the control of the Confederacy. The Revenue Act's language was broadly written to define income as gain "derived from any kind of property, or from any professional trade, employment, or vocation carried on in the United States or elsewhere or from any source whatever." According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the comparable minimum taxable income in 2003, after adjustments for inflation, would have been approximately $16,000. Congress repealed Lincoln's tax law in 1871, but in 1909 passed the 16th Amendment, which set in place the federal income-tax system used today. Congress ratified the 16th Amendment in 1913.

Thomas Jefferson said in 1816: “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” “Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws.”—Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

I think it is ON PURPOSE, but I get blank stares when I say that. I think we've been duped, taken down and soon to be enslaved...but no one will listen. Kinda like chicken little, but the sky IS falling.

And let's not forget the fact that more than 50% of the population pay no income tax at all after all the deductions and the majority of those get a refund. The logic of the government is utter nonsense really!

Re read the OP Robspeakman, BEFORE any such thing as income tax....it got done. What needed to be done, GOT DONE. How? PRIVATE ENTERPRISE DID IT.