The story of Abraham in the Bible, an example of forgery?

It is clear, Ishmael was born of Sarai's handmaiden" She was a Princess of Egyptian Princesses south and that was captured and taken to the court of King of Egypt, and she became captive. Isaac Jr. legitimate? Are Ismail not legitimate son? Oh Urban you're talking about a prophet and a son of a prophet , take care .

Why is it wrong before God to acknowledge Ishmael was born to a bond servant? God is not a respecter of persons, He can and does bless whom He will, and curse whom He will.

debra , "God is not a respecter of persons, He can and does bless whom He will, and curse whom He will." this true, but what you want from this words . are you mean that God cursed Hajar's children?

Conerning the statement that God will provide himself a sacrifice....put the emphasis on HIMSELF, rather than on will provide...

To answer Samar's statement of Sarah being unkind to Ishmael: It is Jewish apocrypha that Ishmael was sent away due to Sarah's viewing his unkindness to Isaac. http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112053/jewish/Hagar.htm

"I am of the opinion that Islam does not. Abraham would not recognize the FAITH of Islam as coming from him" Islam is a religion of nature , and Abraham was a Muslim . And because you did not believe Muhammad's Message you said that , but this does not negate the fact that Islam is of the heavenly messages. Since born Ismael but the Association of the slave Hagar, Ishmael did not appear in God's promise to Abraham Return to the Bible, you will find that God bless both Ismael and Isaac .

I'm referring to Genesis 22:8

I'm not saying that God got the story wrong neither I'm saying that the book of Genesis is not inspired of God, I'm simply saying that the word of God was edited for a purpose! see Jeremiah 8:8 for a reference.

Genesis 22:8 Lexham English Bible 8 And Abraham said, “God will provide the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” And the two of them went together. Hi Gordano, thanks for your reply! Obviously one of the accounts is wrong. The question is which one? Are you saying tha God got the story wrong, if he calls Isaac Abraham’s only son? Are you saying that the book of Genesis is not inspired of God and that it is not God’s word?

Is anything impossible for God? You obviously think so.

God ordered Abraham to come out Ismai and his mother Hajar peace be upon them, and keep away them from Sarah, who saddens greatly after Hagar bore her son Ismail .

Samar, it sounds like your leading more towards the story of Sodom and Gomorrah rather than the subject topic.

and the angel told SARAH, who laughed at the prospect of a son born to HER IN HER OLD AGE, that she indeed would have a son born of her loins. That is why she named him ISAAC, which means laughter.

"Ismail was not the Son of God promised Abraham we did not say that Ismail is one of God's promise to Abraham verses in the Quran was clear as she talks about Isaac and Ismail was born some years before : him : [37.112] " Then, We gave him the glad tidings of Isaac, a Prophet, one of the righteous " [11.69:73] " Our Messengers came to Abraham with glad tidings. They said: 'Peace! ' He replied 'Peace! ' and in a while brought them a roasted calf. But when he saw that their hands did not reach towards it, he was wary and became fearful of them, but they said: 'Do not be afraid. We are sent to the nation of Lot. ' His wife (Sarah), who was standing nearby, laughed. Thereupon, We gave her the good news of Isaac, and after Isaac of Jacob. She replied: 'Alas for me! Shall I bear (a child) when I am old woman and my husband is advanced in years? This is indeed a strange thing. ' They said: 'What, do you marvel at the command of Allah? The Mercy of Allah and His Blessings be upon you, O people of the House. Indeed, He is Praised, Exalted. " [51.24: 30] Have you heard the story of Abraham's honored guests? They entered to him and said: 'Peace. ' And he replied: 'Peace, you are people unknown to me. ' So he turned to his household and brought a fattened calf. He set it before them, saying: 'Will you not eat? ' Then he conceived a fear about them, and they said: 'Have no fear', and gave him the glad tidings that he was to have a knowledgeable son.(Sarah) his wife came with an exclamation and clasped her face, and said: 'Surely, I am a barren old woman! 'Such, says your Lord, ' they replied: 'He is the Wise, the Knower. "

I forgot to add a web site where you can get your Biblical questions answered. http://www.shepherdschapel.com/index.htm

Hello veganbliss, The story of Abraham PBUH is mentioned in the Holy Qura'n 37:83-113 and there are some important differences, Abraham's son of sacrifice is Ishmael, and Abraham didn't say to his son that God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering. How about the Torah or other Holy Jewish Scriptures? by quoting from the Book of Genesis we are talking about the Torah since it is known that the Torah refers to the first five books of the Bible.

If I may make a suggestion, wouldn't there be in existance much older versions of Genesis around in Jewish circles, perhaps? Prior to the Septaguint? Do you believe this story, as related in the Holy Qura'n, is inspired or is it copied from original texts?

Samar, I've read the Bible through many times. Ishmael was NOT Abraham's ONLY son. I do realize that Islam and Judaism along with Christianity will differ in their teachings somewhat. But just because Ishamael was the oldest does not mean he was the only son. Sarah was first wife, in the custom of the day, Hagar's position was that of a concubine. She was Sarah's handmaiden, a bond servant. A son of a concubine or bond servant does not have the same status as a son of the first wife. Add to that, the Jewish scriptures are plain, God promised a son to Sarah and Abraham, it was to be a miraculous birth due to their old age. The fact that Sarah disbelieved that God could give her a child, is why she gave her handmaiden to Abaraham to beget a child by. It was also of the culture at the time that such a child WOULD BE the legal child of the mistress, which was Sarah. Due to Hagar's bondservant status the child was legally a child of both Sarah and Abraham, not just Hagar. I do understand that your religion teaches a different take on this story. But please understand, that there is another point of view with legitimacy. It is obvious that Islam and Judaism differ on this greatly. In the Jewish scripture, Ishamael is given a place of honor aside from Isaac's by God. I am not disputing that. I am also not insisting one story takes prescedence over the other. Merely that you are ignoring one in favor of the other.

Since you are refering to Isaac, surely I'm misunderstanding you. Ishmael and Isaac were half brothers, so reason dictates Ishamael was NOT the ONLY son. There is no reason here to go into the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. I will agree that there does still seem to be much jealousy between the descendents of both Ishmael and Isaac. Many Jews and Christians recognize what took place in Ishmael's being banned from Abraham's camp, as the beginning of this centuries long conflict. I also realize, as I've said here before, that Islam will have a differing view on this. I ask you to recognize that Jews and Christians have just as much right to their view of it as Islam does.

"I've read the Bible through many times. Ishmael was NOT Abraham's ONLY son." Ismaeil was born before Isaac , peace be upon them , and he was his one son and only Son, does not it? The incident of the slaughter was before the birth of Isaac . " Battle of jealousy " This is not true, what is happening is due to the takeover of the Jews on the land of Palestine and the expulsion of their owners and leveling the land and demolition of houses and killed its inhabitants, especially children and young people .