What will your Tax Cut be if President Obama has his way with Congress?
By bobmnu
@bobmnu (8157)
United States
December 18, 2012 5:49pm CST
We are being told that if we go over the Fiscal Cliff we will receive a tax increase and that under President Obama's plan the middle class will receive a tax cut. This is the problem with the Washington mentality. By not increasing your taxes is a tax cut. Another way to look at this is that the Government is entitled to your money and by not take more they are giving you a tax break. It is just like spending cuts. The XYZ Agency is entitled to the amount they spent the previous year plus an adjustment for inflation and a normal increase. If they get anything less than that the are receiving a budget cut. In my state several years ago to balance the budget the Governor did not increase the spending limits in several agencies and the outrage was that the Governor was cutting the programs. No increase is a budget cut???
What President Obama is proposing is that the government keep the tax rate the same as it is now and increase to a certain group. No where is there a tax cut for anyone. This is typical political double speak. We are giving you a tax cut by not increasing your taxes.
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4 responses
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Bob, isn't that exactly what the rich want is to maintain their current Bush era No Billionaire Left Behind tax cuts. If Obama did this to the ultra wealthy, they would be celebrating this as a victory. Why is this different for the rest of the people. Explain this to me like I am a four year old, because what you are saying doesn't make any sense to me.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Here I will make it simple. If President Obama signs nothing at all, your taxes will go up. There are at least three tax increases guaranteed unless President Obama signs something. The first is the Social Security tax. That's due to end very shortly. That affects all taxpayers. The second is the costs associated with Obamacare. That comes into effect in 2013. The third is the end of the Bush tax breaks which raises the tax rates on all taxpayers. A few other changes with absolutely nothing being done is the doctor fix which cuts the amount that Congress pays Medicare doctors (another incentive not to take on elderly patients), the increase in the inheritance tax, the decrease of what can be claimed with children and a few other things.
So, nope the super rich aren't the only ones who want to keep their lower tax rates.
But what never really gets discussed is what President Obama is actually willing to cut and by cut I mean a drastic reduction in spending that doesn't equate to last year's spending totals. I mean a real honest to goodness cut similar to the act of cutting cable bill in a few households.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
19 Dec 12
President Obama is telling us that not taking more money from us is a tax cut. Not increasing spending is a spending cut. President Obama want middle class tax cuts but what he is proposing is not to increase one tax for some people. Speaker Boehner has proposed several ways to increase revenue and has suggested ways to cut spending. One of the ways is to increase the retirement age for Social Security and Medicare. This makes sense because the age 65 was selected because at the time the life expectancy was 65, now life expectancy is much older so increasing the age would be in line with the original intent of the law. We have to control spending or we will be in trouble.
@knoodleknight18 (917)
• United States
19 Dec 12
Social Security, what a scam. Technically raising the age would save a fortune, but it would cause a host of new problems. It's already a problem that people are having to work till 65. The longer people stay at a job the more new jobs we need to have jobs for the young adults entering the workforce, or as we've seen in the past several years, failing to do so. Add to that, the human body is really only good for so long, 65 year old workers might be really reliable, but they also suffer from more ailments, which is fine in some jobs, but not when machinery or heavy items are involved.
But using social security as a tax, is pretty solid tax on everyone anyways. I find it interesting that they call a tax cut, simply not increasing taxes. I think that intentional misuse of a word is actually called a lie. But I guess that's why politicians have such a good reputation.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
19 Dec 12
No matter what is done with the fiscal cliff, there will be NO tax cut and no reduction of taxes...Instead because of obamderthalcare, everyone will be smothered in new taxes. Every item you buy, every service you need will increase astronomically with obamderthalcare taxes. They are still writing this "bill" and every week they tell us what else will be taxed.
There were supposed to be no new taxes on the middle class, but thanks to obamderthalcare, there will be few able to hold on to middle class status after the first of the year. We will all be serfs serving the dictatorthal in washington...Happy New Year.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
19 Dec 12
He is keeping the tax the same, except for the rich people and the rich people are those making over $250,000 a year and that includes businesses. But what will happen is the business will either go out of business or add the increase to their customers, so in essence that is a tax, only it is a consumption not an income tax.
@lawdude (237)
• United States
19 Dec 12
It's a matter of semantics.
When the current tax rates were enacted into law in the Bush administration, they were set to expire in 10 years and revert to the previous tax rates. . .thus they were only temporary tax cuts. The temporary tax cuts were extended in 2011 through the end of 2012 as part of a budget deal in the Obama administration. If no action is taken, the so-called temporary tax cuts will expire on January 1, 2012, and the rates will revert to the levels they were before the temporary tax cuts were enacted into law. The Obama administration wants to extend or make permanent the temporary tax cuts for most taxpayers and end them for certain high-end taxpayers.
So you can blame Congress for the current situation. Congress authorizes budget outlays and then enacts tax policy and authorizes borrowing authority to finance the oulays. While we do not know specifically what deal the President and Congress will reach. . .if any. . .it is same to assume that taxes will either go up or remain the same for certain taxpayers.