Is monarchy a better option?
By spicymary
@spicymary (558)
Romania
January 8, 2013 5:06pm CST
I meet today, accidentaly, with a group of monarchists, some guys that are really struggling to convince people monarchy is a better option for my country (and in general). They said that a king can offer a better political balance. He is sure of the power, so he will not make bad things in order to maintain it (like a president, who manipulates for another mandate. A king will also offer to the people a paternal figure to report to, but as a constitutional one, he will not have too much power. And he is educated all his life to respect some values and get used with the power. They also said that the most developed countries in what concerns the level of living of the citizens are monarchies (Norway, Japan, Denmark, Sweden etc.).
Still, I am a convinced republican. I think a monarchy is an involution of the state. It's silly to give power to some guy that had the only credit to be born in a royal family. He might be evil or stupid or simply not interested. Having a president motivates people, they think it's the most important function somebody can have and everybody can achieve it if he proves he is the best. And the need to have a state's daddy, a visual image of the political system is old-fashioned.
I guess I presented some arguments for both sides here. What do you think about? Why monarchy or why not? If you live in a monarchic country... what do people think about the king?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
9 Jan 13
I take this to mean that some people want to actually be under the rule of a king and/or queen. And I take that to mean that some people appreciate their role as nothing but mere subjects.
That's fine with me. Just keep that nonsense out of my face, or I'll be quick to call you a fool with no marbles.
I could get deeper into this, about the inherent need present in some people to follow rather than lead, as is extremely evident even today, but it's pointless.
I will say that I see a lot of people in America whose let-someone-else-do-it mentalities are really more dangerous than most of the things those same people give the "extreme" label to.
There's a lot of this going on with the cry for higher taxes and bigger government. It's most certainly not to balance the debt. It's essentially people wanting government to bring fairness, wanting government to be a giant charity. It's people wiping their hands of everything, begging someone else to keep the red flashes out of their periphery, and then grandstanding as if their push for government rule means they actually give a damn what happens in the world.
It doesn't wash.
I suspect this is the same that some feel when they essentially pawn everything off on a king or queen. "Hey, he'll fix our problems. I can just get on with my business."
What do I think about kings and queens? KMA. You are not better than me due to happenstance of birth. I don't care how much money you rob from people or how many folks worship you.
There was some movie I was watching a while back, where the guy made the comment that people want to be ruled over -- they want to be subjects. (I think it was The Avengers.) And I think that's about right for some people. At least in the sense that they always want someone else to do the heavy lifting so they can stay self-involved and ignore the world unless it makes an unexpected stop in on them.
That obviously isn't the case for everyone, but some people do seem content to leave things in the hands of others willingly.
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@spicymary (558)
• Romania
9 Jan 13
That is so true, also in the case of the debates about monarchy in my country. Yes, Romania have some problems: corruption, a poor educational and health system and also a mediocre political class. It's hard to find a politician that is not, at least, suspected of being corrupt. And it's the same thing for the president. They expect the king to come back and fix all the problems. But the problems are not caused by the political system, it has a lot to do with the communist legacy and also with the cultural spirit of the region (that can degenerate easily in some circumstances).
There is an author here (Caragiale) that describes, with a lot of humor, similar situations about the political class from the times when there was a king.
So, he is not a solution, but is seen like one. People just want to have a stable guy to worship or to blame. But the change can't come from other part besides their own. Because they see that changing the president doesn't actually change anything.
And yes, people who let others form their way of thinking are more dangerous than extremisms. I will remind your sentence.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
9 Jan 13
I'm not exactly sure how a queen or king rules in a constitutional monarchy. In absolute monarchy,no doubt about that. But in a constitutional monarchy, they are just for ceremonial purposes. Don't actually rule over anyone. That's my understanding.
@spicymary (558)
• Romania
9 Jan 13
Yes, this is the paradox. He will not have too much power, but is expected to change the system.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
9 Jan 13
I live in Canada and our monarch is more of a figure head and not like Louis IV of France who believed he had divine right to rule. In fact, most monarchies are like that. The danger is of someone assuming monarchies are like the Louis Iv type and acts like that rather then one who is just for show and who is considered the symbol of the country. I suspect Obama wants to be the Louis IV type, a despot. and would not be content to be the kind like Queen Eiizabeth of England. And the monarchs gat an extensive training so they will not be tyrants or despots. I like the idea of a republic rather then a democracy since each state or province has differences so what can take for example in Illinois would be different from what takes place in Texas.
I would rather be living in a republic or a monarchy like they have for Canadians rather then a despotic monarchy that is a dictatorship. At least here we have freedom.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
10 Jan 13
I think you are speaking of Louis XIV, the first king who governed in Versailles, not of Louis IV. If Louis XIV suppressed the Prime Minister in France, he was taking the advice of a lot of people before ordering something, and has been called an "enlightened" despot. French are accepting despots only if they do what the citizen want them to do.
@spicymary (558)
• Romania
12 Jan 13
Topffer: You are so right about French, Robespierre killed in only 2 years more people than the inquisition from the whole Europe killed in houndreds of years of functioning. And Robespierre is seen now better than Louis XVI and, of course, better than the inquisition.
@divineathena (1746)
• United States
11 Jan 13
No, I will never be comfortable under monarchy. Like you said here, the person is a king because of royal birth and it is going to be continued. What if one of the kings turn out to be totally unfit to rule? I would rather have someone who has studied the laws of the country better. People must have a voice on who they want. Elections take care of that. Yes, some countries still have monarchy, but do the kings have total power of their citizens? I don't think so. Japan does have an emperor, but his connection to law is rather limited. Prime minister has more power in the government.Even in Saudi, the king is not allowed to make sharia laws. The work is actually done by Wahabbi group. I must still say that Saudi has absolute monarchy. It basically means around this time that they don't have anything called presidential election.
Currently, most kings and emperors can show their power only through constitutional monarchy and that does not make them bigger than the positions created by laws of democracy.
Absolute monarchy is not good for a country at least in this modern time.
@spicymary (558)
• Romania
12 Jan 13
I was talking about restoring a constitutional system, like that in Japan or Great Britain. Absolute monarchy it's not anymore something very debateble, we all know it's bad.
I said I'm a republican, and I keep my opinion, but it's interesting to notice how people (maybe not in the most developed countries, like mine) still vote charismatic characters, without too much knowledge when they have (or should have) better options.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
11 Jan 13
even that is unsustainable. but yes, anarchy is the usually the means for an end of another form of governemnt. Seemingly since some individuals or peoples will not always agree with each other unless under threat, anarchy is usually what we have and sometimes, want.
@spicymary (558)
• Romania
12 Jan 13
Well, let's not go to far, but a libertarian regime with an extra-minimal state it's a good option :d
@greenthumb018 (595)
• Philippines
8 Jan 13
Not all kings are good and not all kings are bad either. Same with Presidents or Prime Ministers. It will still depend on the leader if the leader would like to be a good one. If the leader wants to be remembered by the good deeds and not for the bad ones or if the leader is thinking the good of his country. I agree with you on the royalty born. They may be evil or stupid but they will be King because of the blood. I do not think it should go that way. I was watching The Tudors and did a research on the real King Henry VIII and what I found out is not good. So it's better this way. The people can elect, the people can choose the power of the people can also end the terms of those evil ones.
@spicymary (558)
• Romania
8 Jan 13
I agree with you.
But, playing the devil's advocate, I would say that Henry VIII was not a constitutional monarch. He ruled in the times where kings where seen as the image of God, he had, by law, the absolute power. In a constitutional monarchy system the king would not have too much power. He will conquer it only by a coup d'etat, that would be an almost impossible movement. I am talking about Elizabeth II (for the ammount of power she have), than about monarchs from the middle ages.
Also, they say that it doesn't even matter if the king is good or bad, the only thing that matters is his image, to have a leader there, to look at him and visualize the country.
Taking a consideration the constitutional particularity of the monarchy, would it be a better form of government?