Beheading people is barbaric...
By vanny
@vandana7 (100249)
India
January 11, 2013 11:44pm CST
I dont know who did it, and who was beheaded...except to the extent that the news channels have reported.
In these days and times, when we have bullets and many other things, that are more human using sharp swords to cut the head off is inhuman.
I was watching some old numbers of Lata Mangeshkar on YouTube, as I often do nowadays, and I was appalled to see anti Indian comments there...for gods sake...that is music...and it is the same music that you and me understand. Why hate India so much? Vice versa, why should Indians hate Pakistanis so much?
Pakistan is preparing for war, and as per the reports today, its envoys have been called back. What is happening to the world...as if they do not have enough issues in their valleys...
We can ill afford a war, at least on the grounds of environment, if not because of anything else. And environment of both India and Pakistan would be affected. Are the leaders listening?
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@SpikeTheLobster (6403)
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12 Jan 13
"In these days and times, when we have bullets and many other things, that are more human using sharp swords to cut the head off is inhuman."
This made me chuckle. I honestly don't see how firing a slug of solid metal through somebody at supersonic speed, punching a hole in them and creating a massive exit wound - plus all the impact trauma and everything else - is less inhuman than neatly slicing someone's head off. It's still killing people.
Either way it's pretty damned inhuman.
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
15 Jan 13
Ah...you come to a point where I think I have to be much too honest. There is a section of the society that does not ...I repeat does not like to kill instantaneously. It likes to see others in pain, crying...choking on blood...they do it to chickens, they do it to goats, and ...so on. So doing it to humans must come easily to them, especially when they hate the person ideologically, and based on religion, or other differences.
@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
12 Jan 13
I have seen beheading videos and no sharp sword was used in any of them... Basically I find beheading and all such activities barbaric for all creatures :-|
As for the war of words in Youtube I don't understand it. People from both country seem to have some kind of competition everywhere. Do either of them share same relationship with other neghbouring countries?
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
12 Jan 13
Sad..but people in India believe that Pakistanis are forcibly converting Hindus or killing them. If that were so, we had the reign of Babar, Humayun, Akbar, Jehangir, Shahjahan, Aurangzeb...and subsequent kings till Bahadur Shah Jafar. How come Hinduism survived - each one of them must have reigned at least 20 years, right? And how come our numbers did not become negligible. They are religiously tolerant, and react only when they feel insecure or ridiculed. Its time we start looking at things differently.
@BarBaraPrz (47274)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
12 Jan 13
It's the same in families. Some get along with each other, some don't. Of those that don't, some just ignore each other while some engage in open hostility.
The world is just one big happy/unhappy family.
@jkct02 (2874)
• Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
12 Jan 13
India and Pakistan have been involved in arguments for so long and that have brought many tears and pains to many people. I hope the leaders of both countries would be guided by wisdom to not make things worse. War is not the solution. Keep having dialogs and talks. To co-exist in peace and to concentrate the efforts and resources to make life better for the people are more important.
@jkct02 (2874)
• Kota Kinabalu, Malaysia
13 Jan 13
I agree with you that religion should not be taken as an excuse to fight. If all the monies and lives that were spent on arms and war was to be used on infrastructure projects that benefit the people directly, how much good would that have been! Electricity and water are basic needs that we could not do without to live a 'normal' life in today's world. When we still have to worry about those basic needs everyday, it shows that there is a lot to do for the government.
I feel sorry for the soldiers on both sides of the LOC. I feel sorry for the families of the soldiers who lost their lives. We need to remain calm to think logically to defuse the present explosive situation instead of falling into the trap of frenzy and thoughtless patriotism. We don't need to have more tragedies.
@else22 (4317)
• India
12 Jan 13
Pakistan was created on the basis of Hindu-hate.Hindus in India constitute the major part of our population.Jinah provoked the Muslims and demanded partition of India.After a lot of bloodshed Pakistan was created.Now if they stop hating Hindus,the creation of Pakistan turns meaningless.It is Hindu hate or India hate that keeps Pakistan alive.
We don't hate Pakistan.We have always welcomed their artists,players and other visitors.May be the common Pakistani don't hate us.It is their rulers who keep perpetrating cross border terrorism and waging war against India.We know that a stable Pakistan is in our interest.It is they who have been trying to destabilize our country.
@vandana7 (100249)
• India
12 Jan 13
Actually, I dont think it was like that. Jinnah wanted separate Pakistan to rule. He knew he wouldnt have majority support as majority of people were Hindus. So he asked for a separate state. You would agree with me that Jawaharlal Nehru was not the easiest persons to get along with.
And it had nothing to do with hating Hindus. If it was like that, they would have named Pakistan as Islamistan or Muslimistan but it was us Indians who identified our nation with a religion and not them.
Part of this hate propaganda gets to the next generation, and the next and then then next. People dont think like logically. :( They dont want to accept that the beliefs of the previous generations could have been wrong.
And...we did go wrong in interfering with Pak's sovereignty when we assisted Bangladesh (East Pakistan) in getting its independence under Mujib Ur Rahman. Its natural that the country would hold it against us. We should have minded our own business. It is actually Pak army that is smarting under the defeats, be it at Kargil or even before. They are unfortunately taking help of terrorists, who are eventually harming their nationals like Malala. So yes...something is wrong with Pak's policy, but we are not exactly without any faults.
@else22 (4317)
• India
12 Jan 13
If it was not Hindu-hate,then why the Hindu population in Pakistan went on decresing continuously?I agree with you that Nehru had a desire to be the Prime Minister of India,but Jinnah too had the same desire.The name of our country is Bharat.It is not a name that identifies the Hindu religion.It was Jinnah who provoked Muslims to launch a violent agitation demanding a separate country for them lest they would have to live as slaves of Hindus after the departure of the British rule.It is our country,Bharat,that chose to decare itself as a secular state and not as a theological Hindu state as Pakistan did.Now Muslim population in India has grown up whereas the Hindu population in Pakistan has been reduced from some 15 or 20 percent to 1 or 2 per cent.
If we have been wrong somewhere,it is our knee-jerk policy towards Pakistan.We won wars,but lost everything on table.
So far as the construction of Bangladesh is concerned,Mujib was denied to rule the country even after registerring victory in general election.Martial law was declared in East Bengal.And then began the slaughter of Bengali Muslims.They started infiltrating into our country to save themselves.We warned Pakistan and asked to check infiltration.They reacted by launching air strike on Amritsar and then we no option other than declaring war against Pakistan.The war broke Pakistan and Bangladesh emerged as a free nation.
Jinnah was a nationalist leader.How he emerged as a separatist is a different story,but he too was not easy to go along with.Even Lord Mountbettan has underlined the fact in 'Freedom at midnight'.I have read the book.
You must have known Mohammad Karim Chhagla,one of our cabinate ministers in Nehru's cabinate.He too was a Muslim.Hindus loved him and most Hindus liked him to succeed Nehru as the Prime Minister of the country.
I agree with you that war is not in our interest,nor Pakistan's,but putting up with terrorism and disrespecting the LOC by the Pakistan army is even more harmful for us.
Now Muslims in India are not living as slaves of the Hindus who are still the majority.On the other hand,Hindus in Pakistan are living a life worse than slaves'.
@fannekhan (783)
• India
12 Jan 13
Yes, the Pakistan army is still smarting from those defeats and will continue to harbor desires of defeating India somehow. with or without terrorism. Since they don't have the confidence to fight it out they will resort to terrorism.
@SuperShames (780)
• India
12 Jan 13
Hello vandana aunty..
It has been a long time. Isnt it?? Well I did watch the news and I do agree with you that beheading someone is very barbaric thing to do. I wonder how the parents of the soldier might have felt. And about the war. I don't know when the countries and its people would understand each other. Can't we forgive someone if he/she did wrong. And can't a person apologize to someone if they did something wrong. As you said there are already so many problems each of the country faces. Is going on a war someone would prefer to do ???
Have a nice day ...
~=SuperShames=~
@vandana7 (100249)
• India
12 Jan 13
War creates victories and defeats, and ego hassles. Every victory is temporary, as we should have realized by now. Some people advocate trampling. That would be like defeating a tuberculosis bacterium. It would wait somewhere within the body till we become weak to show what it can do. So any war is bad...always.
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@SuperShames (780)
• India
14 Jan 13
Hi vandana aunty.
War has permanent outcome only when you wipe out the entire opponent from existence. Or else it becomes like recession which is inevitable and comes in cycles over a period of time. In these cases wars are just transition period never reaching to the final state.
Have a nice day !!!
@fannekhan (783)
• India
12 Jan 13
Pakistan has been given a few billion dollars by USA. Now USA will sell them weapons. Since the army is dominated by Taliban you will see Pakistan carrying out more attacks. There will be a show of strength along the border but the attack will come through terrorist attacks.
USA is in a hurry to withdraw from Afghanistan and they have given their tacit approval to Pakistan to monitor the situation. So from a failed nation and a rogue nation Pakistan has become a peace keeper in the area but The Taliban will carry out its attacks on Indians through the Pakistan army. The politicians will simply be helpless spectators. So the area will be a potential flash point and India will be hard pressed to contain the situation. India will mobilze troops along the border, then there will be cricket diplomacy and things will cool down. This time though, China will be watching the developments closely and USA will hope to see China getting involved so that they have the excuse of getting the rest of the world to impose economic sanctions against the red dragon. The USD will go up Rs 65 and India's economy will struggle to rectify the damage.
Pakistan is a puppet state and India needs a strong PM to wipe out terrorism from this area but Soniaji and MMS are hardly in the category of strong leaders. Maybe another Sardar Patel will take charge and tackle the situation. Let us hope Arvind Kejriwal, Modi, Kiran Bedi, Baba Ramdev, Gen VKSingh get together and take charge.
But in all this confusion innocent civilians and army personnel will continue to pay the price for being Indian citizens as jerks like Miandad and Rehman Malik will be invited and honored by our foreign minister Khurshid and BCCI.
@vandana7 (100249)
• India
13 Jan 13
How optimistic you are...dollar touching 65..lol
My surmise...if Taliban has indeed infiltrated Pakistan's armed forces, then it is likely that the armed forces is divided. Remember the Malala incident? No Pakistani is going to appreciate that.
The US is doing the right thing by exiting Afghanistan. It was not its war in the first place to enter and create such a lot of antagonism. You cant kill many innocents, for getting hold of one terrorist. You cant disrupt the lives of so many and not expect some brickbats. In any event, the skin and language of the US soldier makes them stand out amongst other locals. Therefore, the US is better off taking the help of Pakistanis in their war against terrorism.
We Indians should as a symbol of peace...refuse to buy arms in the forthcoming budget session. That will put the ball in the courts of Pakistan, and Pakistan cant afford to stand out as a traunt nation either. Considering that it would go slow with the idea of eliminating other leaders or going on war.
@randomarts09 (1405)
• Indonesia
12 Jan 13
I agree, that's some kind of brutal and barbaric action. If people just thinking about their selfish way of thinking and behead people who they think in the opposite side of them regardless what they themselves do as individual, I think that's wrong.
@Admin1993 (628)
• India
12 Jan 13
Good day madam.
If am not wrong then you're talking about uncultural people who are beheading yet.
Ok let you answer this.i doubt.
Discrimination between the India and Pakistan was from decades and i think they will never have harmony between the two.
I think to over come this we need perfect agrrement between this two countries.I also hope to see them hug.
I am afraid if the world war again begins between I and P.