Beyond the classroom
@allknowing (137753)
India
January 13, 2013 6:04am CST
There is more to learning than in a classroom. My own experience as a student was more about mugging than absorbing what I had learnt to ouse it in my day to day activity. But my exposure to other than what I learnt in a classroom brought me to where I am today. No doubt we need to have some basic knowledge specially with regard to languages that we get to learn while inside the portals of a school.
As the saying goes "Even a fool can teach the learned"
What are your thoughts on this based on your own experience. Do share.
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
13 Jan 13
Education is very important to all of us. We must be able to understand about different things around us. But not everything can be learned from school or from the books that we read. We also learn along the way with the experiences that life has taught us which makes us what we are today.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Emphasis given to choice of universities such as Yale or Harvard needs rethinking. As you rightly said these days one can pick up knowledge from all around us. Huge sums of money goes into searching for universities of repute. But in today's context is it necessary?
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
I know there are several companies while going through applications give preference to those who have been educated in such universities. When you came out of the portals of your college you must have absorbed a bit of what you studied there but was it necessary for you to be there for that many years to absorb what you did. I am sure that must have been a mere one percent.
@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
14 Jan 13
I think it is still necessary to be educated but it doesn't mean that going to a university not as high standard as that of Yale and Harvard could mean learning less.
@GilMegans (241)
• Philippines
14 Jan 13
Learning education is not only limited inside the classroom or learned base on its basic components. Learning is a continuous process - in everywhere we go and everything we do there is a learning. School is an institution second to home that molded fundamental learning of every learner until he/she finished a baccalaureate degree in any filed they want. However, experience is actually the result of every activity that we have participated. It generates learning not only in terms of theory but mostly in actual scene and/or demonstration. Nevertheless, it is not beyond the learning that we learned in school. Why I said so? - experienced-wise, even if how skillful you are in terms of such particular job/work but your mastery lies only to actual experienced it will ended up only that way. Whereas, if you have mastered all the steps, procedures, technical, trouble shoots in theory coupled with exposure in the field of actual experienced, I am pretty sure that you excel and not stagnant only in one direction. Successful CEO's, COO's, Executives and those managerial positions doesn't qualify only those well-experienced but less education rather they will qualify those high standard professionals earning Masteral or Doctorate degrees coupled with experienced but education is the most-top requirements. Hence, for me, there's no such thing which beyond education or learning from school.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
That is my point. Taking for granted that only highly qualified can fit into those positions is not right. Opportunities should be given to those who may not have high degrees but are naturally inclined to be a success in particular fields. That is not happening these days which results in even companies losing good material.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
The first set of books that were written for example for MBA students were by those who were not MBA graduates. I could go on at length about this subject GilMegans but I would only end by saying that Corporates should change their thinking that only highly qualified - (I repeat qualified and not necessarily educated) are worthy of high positions.
I agree to disagree with you!
@GilMegans (241)
• Philippines
14 Jan 13
I got exactly what you are pointing out relative to herein discussion. However, we cannot deny the mere fact that good opportunity with high ranked positions are relatively favored for those qualified persons. In life, we are greatly aiming to leveled those high profiles individuals but we should looked back and consider our capacities - Am I qualified? what are my qualifications? Are they fit with the qualities they are looking to?...Having high ranked positions entails high standard quality of education and degree coupled with experience and the good ability to foresee the business and the people as well. If you are trying to be at that position and your education is limited only how far you can do for the betterment of the company? This is actually the reality sad to think but this is the truth.
@devonavis (1854)
• Greece
13 Jan 13
In my opinion, schools are only guiding the students. They give the basics and the students use them in complicated situations. Final tests are encountered outside the campus so it does not necessarily mean that all those people who excel inside the classroom will also excel outside. Schools only serve as a training ground. Just my thoughts.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Several years are spent in colleges to, for example, secure a post graduate degree and it is not always that a student is ready to face life with this piece of paper. Some change in thought is called for so that students do not spend a big part of their life doing something that may not be useful to them.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Even when it comes to available job vs degrees there is no balance. It is therefore important that industries and educational institutions should work together and bring about a balance here.
@devonavis (1854)
• Greece
14 Jan 13
Right madam! That is why when going to college or university, it is best to really think a million times and decide very well on what course or major to take.
@Mavic123456 (21893)
• Thailand
14 Jan 13
I don't refute Learning in the classroom is a necessity because I am a teacher however I admit that most of the best lessons in the reality of life and about life does not come from the classroom but actual experiences outside the classroom. In my point of view learning in the school is not just learning how to compute mathematical equations or proving the theories through scientific experiments. Not just grammar or language or not just history. Formal education as we call it, forms us not just to have these knowledge but more on how to survive the challenges and tests. Hmmmm what do I mean by that. I meant, formal education form us to be patient, to be persistent, to try harder furthermore failure we can try again not give up.
“The difference between school and life? In school, you're taught a lesson and then given a test. In life, you're given a test that teaches you a lesson.”
Tom Bodett
http://thinkexist.com/quotations/education/
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
formal education form us to be patient, to be persistent, to try harder furthermore failure we can try again not give up.
I am fully with you on that. But that is a minuscule of what is needed to get on in life which again you have said by putting down that quote. When I look at the number of years one spends in schools that thought frightens me as that much time is not required to build our character. One's aptitude needs to be developed and specific training obtained.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Big bang theory eh? Cute! Hope the truth about it is unearthed one day atleast in my life time!!
Let me give you my example. The first English sentence I uttered when the teacher asked "Whose book" I said "I book"! That was the level of English then. I have made strides thanks to the exposure I have had in the course of my life. A lot goes for those experts too in various fields thanks again to their exposure that they got outside of the class room.
It is time Industries revolutionise their selection process so that real talent no matter whether it springs from hutments or anywhere, get a chance to shine. This is the need of the hour.
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@Mavic123456 (21893)
• Thailand
14 Jan 13
yes, formal education is just a tiny matter on the big bang theory hmmm... big bang theory.. hahaha never mind that. formal education is just a tiny matter on the life's learning. still experience is the greatest teacher of all time. It could be a personal one or it could be a scene from someone else's life. Learning from personal experiences or looking at their experiences. Don't bother to look at the number of years of education.. that's is why it is called "formal education" because it is just a paper to wave when you are looking for a job. and when you are employed, you will notice that only 1/18 of hard earned learning is useable and applicable to the job that you are doing it is more on your skills and adaptability to the situation. hmmm.. ok moving on and forgetting about job... now focusing on life's learning itself. I could not say that 100% of these traits were developed and honed in the school as one survived and as a product of the long years of schooling that would not be fair for those who did not have or even finished the formal education.
@lsjapdoit (651)
• Indonesia
14 Jan 13
We need both formal and informal education to succeed. What we learn outside school falls into the latter category and is a bigger part of our life education. The most important factor, however, would be a good human interaction, without which we will find it very hard to be successful.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
I agree with you that we need formal education but spending well over 19 to 20 years doing that according to me is not called for. The better part of one's youth is spent inside a building!
The powers that be should think on the lines that it is no longer needed that one should spend so many years there as with the knowledge one can get outside of this can more than chalk out one's destiny and one could start earning much earlier which is so necessary to survive in this world today.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Not when companies look for post graduates who have spent 20 years inside a building and ignore the rest!
@lsjapdoit (651)
• Indonesia
14 Jan 13
I see your point of view allknowing. We have complete freedom to decide what suits us best and the decision will differ from one person to another :)
@annaspruell (20)
• United States
13 Jan 13
In a recent classroom setting, in a class on education and being an educator, my professor said, "most things are 'caught' rather than 'taught'." I found this to be the truest statement I had ever heard, but it also frightened me. Having a child in high school and one in middle school I am just now beginning to see the things my children are "catching" that have nothing to do with formal education and everything to do with parents losing their rights to raise their own children. I often wonder if this is a state of Texas thing or if the entirety of the U.S. education system is leaning towards some of the mentalities that I see in my children's schools.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Very interesting. What is it that worries you that you feel your children will catch?
The number of years that children spend in schools and colleges mugging and reaching nowhere is the most worrying thing according to me. This system needs a change. One does not have to wait that long to start life. Right?
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Here I could say ends do not justify means which you say are used for 'causes'.
Getting back to the subject, I would agree that there is ample scope to 'catch' things outside the portals of schools and colleges but one has choices too. If a child has got good grounding in homes they come from they will not 'catch' things that would be their undoing. It is no doubt that much too much is available out there and the cyber has it all. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope better sense will prevail as one can also see the disasters of 'catching' that which is not healthy.
@annaspruell (20)
• United States
14 Jan 13
I worry they catch lessons about competition that are unhealthy. Everything we do in our district these days is about competition. I worry that they catch horrible self-esteem lessons, because bullying is so prevalent in our school, but because it has yet to result in any sort of physical violence it is often over-looked or swept under the rug. I worry that they are "catching" that teachers know better than their parents about subjects that are not part and parcel of formal education, because the district consistently makes decisions that are in direct opposition to the things we stand for as a family but because I, as a parent have no school authority, I have no authority at all. I'm afraid they are "catching" that life begins and ends with a primary education when in fact, it just an important and necessary stepping stone. The one that worries me most, is that because of some very specific incidents that have happened recently in our community concerning our schools, that they now believe that ANYTHING is ok as long as its for the "cause".
@williamjisir (22819)
• China
14 Jan 13
I agree that there is so much to learn from beyond the classroom. The knowledge we learn from the textbooks is far from enough, but good enough for taking examinations only. We have a saying that you can always find someone to be your teacher of three men walking together. Thank you for the discussion.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
I remember having to mug some hundreds of formulas for my Chemistry exam and today not a single one of them is of any use to me.
Even my pet teaches me, and so do kids and those three men walking together will surely have more to offer!
@LovingMyBabies (85288)
• Valdosta, Georgia
14 Jan 13
I think more learning can be done outside of a classroom than in. Most of what I learned in school, I have not used outside the classroom. Of course school of some sort is needed but I am just saying more can be learned in the real world...
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
I was just calculating the number of years one needs to be a professional. Let's take an architect - He will be a full fledged one around the age of 25 for some it is a marriageable age. But when he is still depending on his parents his future looks pretty bleak. He has to look for a job, get a house and all this will take another 10 years. Odd Is it not? Something needs to be done fast so as to cut down the number of years that are spent in colleges/universities.
@kokomo (1867)
• Philippines
31 Jan 13
Yes, I agree with you. School is just a learning institution and it cannot provide all the learning we should know and obtained. We are learning even in our house . We can learn even we are with our friends and other person not related with us. All the factors surrounds us, there we could learn from it.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
31 Jan 13
Learning is a continuous process and it is not just in the classroom that we get to learn but wherever an opportunity presents itself. Rather than continue doing countless degrees it would be best that one pursues studies based on one's aptitude as soon as possible.
@bhelle76 (353)
• Canada
14 Jan 13
Basically, schools are there to let us know how many steps we are going to take to our goals in life. It is the image so we can totally figure out want we want to do for our future. However, education is everywhere. We learned from our eperiences, mistakes and failure. We learned even from the people younger from us, from strangers, from all over the place and many more.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
I agree with do need a foundation and along with developing what we are good at could go a long way in attaining our goals without having to spend years that take us to get our post graduate degree which may not after all be of any use to many.
@nykalex88 (243)
• Philippines
15 Jan 13
Yes! This is really true to children ages 4 to 12. Children really learn things from their experiences rather than what the teacher have thought to them. I am confirming this because I experienced this myself. I seldom listen to our teacher in school, instead, I always play outside. Break time at school is my favorite time. When I grow mature enough, my experiences shaped my well being. I will also do this to my kids. Hurrah!!!
@allknowing (137753)
• India
15 Jan 13
There is so much out there for one to pick up. One has choices galore even discovering oneself which is not possible in the confines of a school. We do need a foundation though and that's it.
@deiusz (193)
• Indonesia
14 Jan 13
learning is the way how we get the information, knowledge for everything in every field where we work.
Make it learned as good habit or even as a hobby because we can not stop for learning, everyone can learning and teach what we can do as our expert. I believe every person their own ability that they can teach to other, even teach to smart people that dont have expert in not their field.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Learning is an ongoing process and getting experience in the area where one has the aptitude is the best way to be successful. In other words one should concentrate in areas where one has interest, has passion and has talents.
@anshu23 (147)
• India
14 Jan 13
We can learn many things in classroom but applying them to real life is more important.
I think practical oriented learning is the best to go. It gives us much greater exposure
and we can learn in-depth by this approach.My experience in IT also tells me that you have to have real life examples to learn new things.
Example is I can learn to drive my car in home also but going to a driving school is much better as it gives us more exposure to meet new friends and learn from there experience.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
One needs to just know what aptitude one has and after some formal education that aptitude needs to be developed and training obtained. More years should be spent on developing one's talent than to go in for degrees which are of no use in the long run.
You are on the right track!
@suzzy3 (8341)
•
13 Jan 13
Sometimes just learning to survive can be the best education.Earning a living ,feeding your family ect.staying away from trouble or a mugger keeping safe.School learning is important ,getting results for a career are so important.It is what you learn when you leave school is just as important if not more.I always say "What does't kill you ,makes you stronger" I always treat my loved ones with the greatest of respect,but am very wary of the others untill I get to know them.I have learnt to take a step back and wait to see how the land lies these days.Trusting everyone is a big mistake.I have a good crowd of people and we stick together and help each other out.Best way for all of us.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
What is of concern is the number of years that go into mugging. One should be able to stand on one's feet earlier and not wait for so many years. It takes several years to get a post graduate degree which may not even get a person ready to face life. How best can one do this?
@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
14 Jan 13
I agree, many learn from even playing sports and other activities.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
Even at a tender age of 5 a child shows aptitude and it is this that needs nurturing rather than spending precious years on gaining a post graduate degree.
@smiling_ja (261)
• Philippines
13 Jan 13
I agree with you. Daily we learn so many things base on what happens, base from experiences, from others as we interact with them. In school we learn the basics, we are required to pass the subjects in the curriculum as part of the process of learning and obtaining a degree. But apart from the academic status we achieve, our learning process do not stop from there, it is by integrating our knowledge from school and the experiences of the real world that matters.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
A lot of importance is given to degrees and without a degree one does not get a job. This thinking should change. If one can prove oneself in a job that person can perform better than the one who has secured good marks but has no knowledge about the job in question.
@deiusz (193)
• Indonesia
14 Jan 13
learning is not only from classroom, learning our life our habit, our hobby, it will not be found in classroom. Yes, basic knowledge can reach in classroom teached at school, but so many matery, learning from out there.
learning how we life is not from classroom. Learned what you like and learn more and be expert on that.
Somehow, someday, somewhere, somebody will need your knowledge and knowing that you are expert in that field.
@intelinsideyou (664)
• India
14 Jan 13
In classrooms we only gain theoretical knowledge but in outside world we experience the things practically and that practical knowledge decides what we become in life.
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
One needs to go about it in a systematic way beginning with one's aptitude and looking for opportunities where that could be put to use in a gainful way.
@inopiratum_a_medio12 (877)
•
13 Jan 13
Yes school are foundations for basic education a man should have and also the specific profession his/her into but doesn't offer the full package of learning more about the so-called life. Likewise, how does money works for us not the other way around and some personal experiences that textbooks can't answer except our own personal experiences. Happy lotting!
@allknowing (137753)
• India
14 Jan 13
I feel right from day one, one needs to pay attention to one's aptitude which is not the case in schools resulting from an individual going through the syllabus just to get marks. Schools do teach the art of getting along with others and may be one could pick languages there. One need not wait for schooling to get over to equip oneself with that which can lead to success in life. The options are several.