Obama trying to push immigration reform.
By oneidmnster
@oneidmnster (1384)
United States
January 28, 2013 9:44pm CST
I haven't met a single person who is for immigration reform. They all want the laws enforced as they are. Why want the government do what the people want them to do? I know Obama hates the American people but does all of Congress hate the people they're supposed to represent?
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
30 Jan 13
I support immigration reform. There are people here illegally who are working here illegally paying no Medicare/Social Security/Federal taxes. Their employers are given a huge advantage against their competition because they don't have to pay these taxes. The employees are treated bad because the employers know they can't go to the authorities because they are illegal. The employers claim that they can't find out who is legal nor not because of identity theft.
I have no idea what you are talking about when you say that Obama hates the American people. I am very proud to say I voted twice for him, and I am doing much better than I did under the last guy who acted like a DICTator.
@oneidmnster (1384)
• United States
1 Feb 13
I shouldn't respond to you comment because you won't understand my response. Don't take that the wrong way. Liberals and conservatives alike are part of this problem.
you say illegals are treated bad by their employers. Newsflash!!! They are here ILLEGALLY!!! Is there some part of this you don't understand? They get paid under the table with $100 bills. The ones that get paid by check are using a stolen S.S.N. That's against the law. Every day they are here they're breaking the law. They take jobs and benefits from the American people.
If this is okay with you,maybe you wouldn't mind giving one of them your job. After all,you support illegal immigration.
Obama does hate the American people. The majority of Americans are against health care reform. Obama doesn't care. Americans want our immigration laws enforced the way they are. Obama doesn't care. We want the Government to stop spending and cut the deficit. Obama spends money like we actually have it.
It's not just Obama,though. The U.S. Government doesn't really care about the American people either.Republicans have given in to immigration reform for no other reason than votes.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
11 Feb 13
One, I said I support IMMIGRATION REFORM, not ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, there is a difference. If I didn't understand illegal immigration I wouldn't have pointed it out to you. You fail to grasp that main reason we have an immigration problem: JOBS!!! If no one hired these illegals, there wouldn't be jobs, and they wouldn't come here. But, you take IGNORANT states like Arizona which does NOTHING to business owners that hire illegals, but if you report a business for hiring illegals, and can't prove they did (which I have no idea how you prove that you hired an illegal, seeing how you can't legally do so) YOU will be arrested. How does this help curb illegal immigration?
The majority of Americans want health care reform, and our economy will collapse if we don't change something soon. If Americans want all of these things you "claim" they want, then why didn't Mitt Romney win? He supported all of the items you named, and yet he LOST. I understand that YOU want most of these things, and many of the people that you listen to want these things, but what you should ask yourself is: If everyone I talk to thinks the same way, but the rest of the country doesn't, then are we wrong? This "group think" is part of what is wrong with this country. If you step out of your bubble sometime you will see that there are different thoughts out there, and some of them might make sense.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
30 Jan 13
The funny thing thing is most of the people that hate immigrants are the same people that were hiring, or are still hiring them illegally. I just wonder how these people never get mad at themselves, but its always the Democrats fault and its always Obama's fault when they are the ones that created this problem in the first place.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Very true Cross, but the right wingers are just in denial.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
31 Jan 13
When you break down the question what I find is that most people want to do something about immigration but they aren't sure what to do. I think the first thing is to secure the border so that we know who is entering our country. When I talk to people who are opposed to immigration in the discussion they point to the criminal element or the people who are coming here only to get the government benefits. In many communities where they have both legal and illegal immigrants and they are working and supporting themselves most people want to secure the border and then solve the problems with the people who are here illegally.
If the government secures the border and shows that it is working. Then develop a reasonable policy to deal with the people who are here illegally. Many of those who are here illegally do not want to become citizens but they want a better life. To those people have a guest worker program where they can work and pay taxes and when they retire they can go back to their home country. After 5 years on a work permit the person would be able to apply for citizenship if they have a sponsor who will be financially responsible for the family until they become citizens.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Jan 13
Gee, we sure travel in different circles since everyone I know seems to think we need comprehensive immigration reform. I strongly supported the Dream Act and was very disappointed when it failed to pass. President Obama doesn't hate the American people but some members of Congress seem to hate all but the chosenfew who give them money to get elected. The tea partiers, for example, sure don't care what the majority of the people want!
Annie
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@WakeUpKitty (8694)
• Netherlands
30 Jan 13
I am not living in the USA and to be honest I don't care about what Obama or any other president is doing or ever did. I doubt many people do, might be some governments do. It's already clear to me for a long time that governments seldom do what the people want or even that part of the people that did choose them (president/goverment).
I doubt Obama hates the American people, as I understand he is American or? And all Americans were once immigrants. I wonder how come so many of them forget that.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
30 Jan 13
I think we all remember that, its just some people like to scapegoat our problems. It all boils down to money. That's all many in this country care about. They abuse the system to pad their wallets and then thy cry foul when they abused the system to long and its no longer padding their wallets.
@subhojit10 (7375)
• India
29 Jan 13
Thanks a ton for sharing this discussion. Well i am sure many people throughout the world would be eying what Obama would be taking decisions regarding the immigration laws for lives and careers of many students and people would be at stake just because of these laws. So i am expecting that he will take a good decision in the betterment of others.
What say?
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Obama doesn't hate America, he hates what it stands for--independent people striving to reach their full potential on their own. Of course, this means there will be rich and poor and middle class. He thinks everyone should have the same things and should be equal in all ways. That's a really nice sentiment but kills ambition and innovation. I believe he really wants what he thinks is best for the country but what he thinks is best will ultimately result in food lines, shortages of goods, deterioration of the infrastructure, government owned businesses and people who don't work to be their best--why should they bother if everyone has the same status and there is no reward?
As for Congress, they want "immigration reform" because it will get them millions more votes in future elections from the people they gave citizenship to. It will also create an underclass that is dependent on government largesse, who will vote for more stuff that they promise them. Whenever you question anything our government officials do, just follow the old adage "follow the money" and you will get your answer!
I would like the see the current laws enforced aggressively and our borders closed tightly and securely. I would love to have legal immigrants welcomed with open arms and the illegal immigrants sent home.
My son is about to marry a girl from Mexico. She will get a visitor's visa and go through the process of naturalization. Unfortunately, that will take many years. I don't know why it should take so long to become a citizen but anyone willing to go through that long process deserves to be here.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Jan 13
Um, where do you get that Obama hates the people?
Yeah, they should enforce the laws we have. As for the rest, I would have to see the details of the proposed reform.