Ranting, sorry
By echoforever
@echoforever (5180)
United States
January 31, 2013 2:43pm CST
Have you ever been in a situation or point in your life where nothing makes sense to you?
I feel like that's where I am right now.
I feel like every aspect of my life is a conundrum at the moment.
I want to be financially independent for example, not having to work for people only myself on my own time etc. That's why I do this online but from what I've experienced so far, this isn't a possiblity.
Right now I'm independent in the since my time is mine to do as I want online but the financials part just isn't happening.
I hate money. I mean with a passion, hate it, every aspect of it. I hate even having it but the necessity of course, you need it.
Some people say they "hate money but they love it" well, money makes me sick. I wouldn't care if I was poor the rest of my life except the fact I won't survive without some kind of income. If there were a choice in life to never make money and still survive, I would do it.
I don't really know where i'm going with this. I just know that when I think of spending my whole life working, 8 or 10 hours out of my day for something I have literally seething hatred for... I just can't do it. People don't understand that. They say "why don't you go get a job" when I try to explain that it makes me almost physically ill to even think about it... they just don't understand.
Rant over, for now.
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13 responses
@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Hi Echo....I just looked to see how old you are, and you're only 26? And you hate working already? For some reason reading your discussion I thought you were older and have been working for years and are just tired of it....so now I'm a bit confused.
Are you just caught between a rock and a hard spot right now? What type of job did you have that you hated it so bad? I'm just trying to find a way to help you and I really don't know what to say. What type of fun stuff do you like to do?...such as crafts, writing..etc?
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Not to sound nosy because that's not why I'm asking...just so you understand. 
You do not sound selfish nor do you sound sickening to me. Not to sound nosy because this is not why I'm asking but, are you in treatment for this depression? Or, are you taking meds for this? And, have you filed for social security disability?
You do not sound selfish nor do you sound sickening to me. Not to sound nosy because this is not why I'm asking but, are you in treatment for this depression? Or, are you taking meds for this? And, have you filed for social security disability?1 person likes this
@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Sorry, didn't mean to repeat myself but I'm really concerned about you. 
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
31 Jan 13
maybe thats it. maybe you should see about some sort of therapy. you may need some depression meds. 
@sumthinexotic (88)
• Philippines
1 Feb 13
There's a thin line between love and hate.
It must suck to be you right now. I can't fully relate to what you are feeling seeing as I don't have much care for money. I don't love it nor hate it. It's just there. Just something that you have because its there.
I suppose there are a lot more reason why people work. One of them is money. But it's not the only one. I don't know about you but some people do love what they do and it doesn't hurt that they're getting paid for it.
Your aversion to money is puzzling. And what you said about not surviving without money is even more puzzling. I say that because I believe that you can stop making money and still survive. You'd be surprise how many people do such a feat.
But I'm not convinced that money is the problem here. I'm afraid it's just a ruse to cover up what you really feel about your job. It would really help if you start ranting about that, me thinks. It will make you feel loads better. Like a foul, spoiled taste in your mouth that the brave little mouthwash finally conquered.
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@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Yeah its pretty puzzling to me too at times. This is the only thing I've felt so strongly about absolutely hating in life. But after discussing this here I realize this isn't normal what I'm feeling and I should get someone to talk about it to like a therapist. Even though I don't think it will be easy to do that, either.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
31 Jan 13
well life is not fair and unfortunately the people who are surviving are either mostly working and not feeling like it as a job they dont like or else they are living off others who will soon get tired of busting their butt and doing without things they want to support another person.
so are you saying you are like my daughters bf? who thinks he dont have to do anything he dont want to? i guess you are surviving off someone else? or how? sorry you have hit a nerve when you say you dont want to work. no one likes to work unless they love their job and theirs few of those people.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
1 Feb 13
im sorry. i dont have a right to say any of that. i dont know your situation till now. forgive me. its not my place to say to someone i dont even know what ive wanted to say and have said to daughters bf. its your dad and he should help until you figure your place and problem.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Its alright
I know it sounds bad I have had my family say worse to me that's kind of why its gone this far I haven't told them I th ink I need real help. 
I know it sounds bad I have had my family say worse to me that's kind of why its gone this far I haven't told them I th ink I need real help. 1 person likes this
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Yes I'm living with my dad and he's supporting me. I know its not right that I should be living off of him but for the time being until I figure out why I feel like I can't work due to depression or whatever it is... then this is kind of what I have to do. I know I sound pathetic, selfish, rude... but it isn't because I just want to be.
@vandana7 (100282)
• India
1 Feb 13
Rant away...we will join you...and make a bonfire of it. :)
One fact you cant escape..you need monies for your necessities. How much should be enough ...chart out how much you need everymonth including a percentage for your clothes, movies, comforts, vehicle repairs, medical insurances, taxes, etc. Now multiply this with 12. Now put it in one cell of excel...and compound it for your entire lifespan with inflation rate in each subsequent cell..that should be approximately 90 years..to be on safe side..
So now sumtotal of those compounded values across all those years is how much you gonna need in your lifetime. Note I have not included your wife's expenses, nor your kids expenses or those of your parents or siblings...exclusively yours. :)
You can only work when you are young. I am not saying you should have mansions...I am only indicating how much you need for your basic comforts..you do need to earn yourself..nobody is going to do it for you..however much you hate monies. That is the truth..because others love monies. :)
We both will talk about hating monies after we have covered you for your basic necessities...right? :)
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
That all just makes me sad! Why would I want to do that? 
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Yeah but looking at all those numbers, no thanks. I'll make it... until I don't.
@LovingMyBabies (85288)
• Valdosta, Georgia
31 Jan 13
I understand exactly what your rant is about. Lol. It is horrible to work all of our lives and still basically get NO WHERE for doing it! I wish money was an option and we didn't need it to survive... I for one, am tired of struggling in this life just to barely pay any bills and not ever have any fun in life. One day we are going to die, its a fact and before that day comes I would like to have some kind of FUN in life!
My husband feels the exact same way as well. His boss is a JERK, he works my husband part time, my husband gets paid such crap money ($300 per week) which doesn't even pay half of our bills. My husband feels like what the hell is the point of this???
We are both very frustrated and trying not to take it out on each other each day which is really hard...
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
31 Jan 13
hi echo and L mb she must be in a place like California where the cost of living is just dreadful now in some states like the Dakotas 300 a week would really make life great as the cost of living is cheaper but on the bad side the winters are dreadful there.
my son was making about the same wages and it was not stretching to pay the 1200 a month rent plus utilities then 
then he got laid off and w were evicted.here that kind of wages does not begin to pay the bills.
then he got laid off and w were evicted.here that kind of wages does not begin to pay the bills.@LovingMyBabies (85288)
• Valdosta, Georgia
31 Jan 13
Oh sorry, that was my mini rant for the day! Lol.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Its all good!
I'm sorry to hear that things are so rough for you too. That's the kind of life I want to avoid, working all of the time and still not able to pay bills.. struggling and worrying and feeling so bad even though you're already doing all you can!
I hope things in your life will start to work out.1 person likes this
@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
31 Jan 13
I understand you there... Im in a few likes that. I work 14-15 hours a day and just get by. Id love to work 8-10 hours and get by. Take care there.. See you sooo n.
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@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
That would be a nice relief for you if you didn't have to work tha tmuch and still only barely make it...
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Personally I think many of us here can relate with this one, and would rather be our own boss, and find a way to be in control of how much we make, and be able to do it online, or combination online/offline as long as we are not having to rely on anyone else.
Many times I have been there myself, and it is not always an easy thing to do. But since we own a home, and have a lot of other bills if something was to happen and I could not work anymore, or decided to quit my job, (which there are times I would Love too,) we would loose our house.
But I still continue to have thoughts and dreams where I am working for myself and one day earning enough to either be part time with someone else, while on my husbands insurance, or making enough with my business things to not have to work for anyone else. These really continue to be my Dream and I will not give up on them until the day somehow I can continue to make this happen.
@KrauseHome (36448)
• United States
2 Feb 13
Well, right now, it would be nice if I did not have to rely on my job for the main source of income and medical. I need to start writing down my Goals and then make a phone call to see what I need to do, and check into Grants, etc. to help make this one happen.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Keep your dream alive and work toward it, that's what I am doing. I have to rely on my dad right now or I wouldn't be able to do this now. I am hopeful for a future I could rely fully on myself while doing this but I don't know without any other income. It probably isn't very likely. I will try my best though!1 person likes this
@MoonGypsy (4606)
• United States
31 Jan 13
no i understand what you mean. i am disabled now, but i use to work. when i did, it was part of the reason why i was sick. working made me more sick. it's not meant to be a therapeutic thing. it was meant to burn you out and drain you. when i say work, by the way, i mean working for someone else....the labor force. you get no where working for someone else. you are just existing, barely surviving. don't give up on your dream to be independent. fight and fight to keep yourself out of the work force and still survive. you have to try to release your self from the daily rat race game that people are forced to play every day of there lives. it is spiritually draining as well. i am not saying i am glad i am disabled. my disability makes it hard for me to do things in general...even the things i want to do. so, i am not glad about that. i must admit, i am glad i am out of the work force. i am much much more healthier and i can take care of myself better.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Those are my sentiments exactly. I guess some people do understand then. The people I explain it to so far haven't though.
I am sorry you had to be disabled to get out of that crap. So far i haven't been in, and, I have no want to be in it. I'm lucky that I can stay where I am for now and get myself going here and hopefully enough to stay independent in the future. I do want that. Just right now it isn't looking too pretty. If I didn't have someoen to stay with, I would be forced to do as everyone else and join the "rat race" 
I am sorry you had to be disabled to get out of that crap. So far i haven't been in, and, I have no want to be in it. I'm lucky that I can stay where I am for now and get myself going here and hopefully enough to stay independent in the future. I do want that. Just right now it isn't looking too pretty. If I didn't have someoen to stay with, I would be forced to do as everyone else and join the "rat race" @bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
1 Feb 13
working for some people does take a toll on you. i did it on different jobs for 40 years. the last one tho she wanted me to work every single day for 5 hrs.with never a day off. then i started getting sick with my stomach infection and she let me go from there it was all down hill till i had to get disability retirement. but i gave it my best shot for years and i feel young people need to try. @echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
I'm sorry working so hard and being pushed to do so caused you that health issue. I think my mom's work caused some of her health problems as well. Its a shame. @Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
31 Jan 13
but exhoforever if you could have a job doing something you loved to do would you not enjoy that doing something that you passionately liked doing I love to read and like people so when I got a job shelving media kin the local library I was one happy camper.I did not make a lot per hour but I loved doing what I was doing and the money I made spent just like any other money .I would hate to work where I was miserable as that would get to be a place I dreaded to go to every day., I know for most of us making any living on the net is almost impossible but some do do it here on the net.
doing I love to read and like people so when I got a job shelving media kin the local library I was one happy camper.I did not make a lot per hour but I loved doing what I was doing and the money I made spent just like any other money .I would hate to work where I was miserable as that would get to be a place I dreaded to go to every day., I know for most of us making any living on the net is almost impossible but some do do it here on the net.@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
31 Jan 13
hi again I think the economy right now is even worse than the depression when I was just a kid, here in California we are second in having the most unemployed in the states, New York state ranks first. Now after almost three y ears my son is now being put on full time where he has worked and hat makes me his mom me happy for him. I am here in gold crest retired living on my meager social security and SSi checks.Gold Crest was swift when I came here to get my two checks directed to them so they had first dibs at the rent and board per month out of my two checks.i get a whopping 134 oer month for m y own personal use whoppee whooppee whoppee.
and we got cost of living raises and so Gold Crest upped the r ent fo r the yar so out of the raise I got a whole dollar more wow rich rich rich.
Echo I wish I could suggest something but I cannot, I even wish I could make some more earnings besides what I get on m ylot.I syhmpathize with you and wish things were so much dcifferent.
and we got cost of living raises and so Gold Crest upped the r ent fo r the yar so out of the raise I got a whole dollar more wow rich rich rich.Echo I wish I could suggest something but I cannot, I even wish I could make some more earnings besides what I get on m ylot.I syhmpathize with you and wish things were so much dcifferent.@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
I'm just happy for my friends here. I do make alittle side money other than myLot too but it isn't enough to pay bills with if I weren't living with my dad. I do all I can and I hope something will work out so I can keep doing this at least it is enjoyable.
I agree with you about the state the economy is in though I don't know much about it, its a loose "yes i agree" with nothing to really back it. 
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
31 Jan 13
The idea of having a job I enjoy is even more of a far fetched idea to me than to make a living through the internet. I don't know what I would even enjoy so I don't know what to look for. I don't have any options in way of jobs any way at the moment so I'm sure I'd end up being miserable. I would like to do something I enjoy every day to make money but I don't see that happening any more than a good income from what I'm doing now.
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@wilsongoddard (7291)
• United States
31 Jan 13
It is possible to do what you love and make a reasonable living at it. I've seen enough people do it to know that it is possible.
I'm still working on the "reasonable" part, since my total debt is fairly high. I know how much I would have to earn in order to be completely debt-free--more than what many people make in a decade.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Congratulations to those people, I'm not giving up on the dream yet of financial independence. Just to be debt free is a big relief though I am sure, if you can obtain that.
@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
1 Feb 13
If you feel you are somewhat tied up on a 9-5 job, then why not consider putting up your own business instead. Aleast that way, you have your won time.
@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
1 Feb 13
being jobless is causing you depression? Then find ways to occupy your time. If you have difficulties finding a real job, look for an online job that will suit your skills. Stop thinking too much. It will only worsen your depression. Talk to people. Don't be alone too long. Keep your mind busy with something useful or productive.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Actually its the opposite for me. I'm depressed thinking about getting a job. That's why I don't have one I can't go long thinking about it I get depressed. I know this is not common and usually its the opposite, most people, want a job.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
Well....
I don't have a job. Its uncommon most people don't feel the way I do while not working. I just am coming to realize I think i have depression or something that is causing this feeling.
@luisaR (452)
• Philippines
1 Feb 13
its not just you feeling this, there are just many. but this is life, we need to do something even if it is beyond what we wanted. But if u really want something just bad, figure things out, surely,ul be on the track u would wanna be ;-)
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
I know, I need to get myself organized and comfortable in something so that my life is not completely wasted...
@Bluebell18 (636)
• United States
31 Jan 13
Echo,
My sentiments exactly. It seems like everything around us never seems to make sense. I said in the beginning of this year I would not let negative things bother me. And also one of them being that I would get a job. Well, one month into the new year. Haven't found a job yet, still looking & getting very frustrated with the nil results.
I hate money, too! I hate how it effects people. When you don't have any, you feel small, and when you do, you feel like a giant and you're bigger than God. Most things in this life is just temporary, nothing is ever permanent.
@echoforever (5180)
• United States
1 Feb 13
I need to keep this in mind, things are not permanent things won't always be this way. I'm sorry you've been null without a job for so long, a lot of people have been...