Can a Pope resign? Benedict XVI just has!

@owlwings (43910)
Cambridge, England
February 11, 2013 6:28am CST
Yes, a Pope can resign. Pope Celestine V in 1294 issued a decree declaring it possible that a pope can resign and then promptly did so. Before him, Benedict IX resigned in 1045 and his successor Gregory VI did the year after. Being a Pope isn't all fun and games! Although I am not a Catholic, I respect the head of the Catholic Church. I think that he has a very onerous and responsible task which is that of a real leader, not just a figurehead, and that, if he doesn't feel himself personally capable of it, he should be honest and step down. A Pope is human and when human frailty means that you can no longer do your job properly, it is only right to recognise it, thank the Lord for your term of office and allow a younger (or a better) man to take your place. It looks as though the next Pope may be a man from Ghana. If you are a Catholic, how do you feel about that? If you are not a Catholic, you might like to talk about what relevance the Pope (and Roman Catholicism in general) has to you and your country. I would like to read your views on this news, anyway. You will have to forgive me if I don't necessarily reply to everyone, though! I'm sure that, if you have something worth saying, someone will!
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
11 Feb 13
I am not Catholic but I live in Italy. As I see it, the Pope is a man doing a job and can therefore hand in his notice if he feels justified to do so. However, any thoughts run through my mind but the one that is first and foremost is - why now? Why this week and not last week or next week - or next month when our general elections will be thing of the past? Hmmmm
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
11 Feb 13
It may be a 'coincidence' but someone in the Pope's position must have been considering his advancing age for some time and, certainly, none of his decisions are taken or announced lightly or without much concern about the concomitant political ripples. I don't think that the choice of time for the announcement is likely to have been at all coincidental. Something, surely, is going on in Italy which the Pope (or more likely his advisors) seek to influence in some way!
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@allknowing (138048)
• India
11 Feb 13
That is why I said speculations.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
11 Feb 13
The mandate of the pope is not limited to Italy, and I don't think that, seen from the Vatican, the elections in Italy have to be considered for a news like this. Probably a simple coincidence.
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@urbandekay (18278)
11 Feb 13
Let us start by asking what 'pope' means, it is derived from a Greek word and means 'father.' Jesus says, "And call no man your father upon the earth; for one is your Father, which is in heaven." all the best, urban
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
11 Feb 13
Yes, I like that, Urban! 'Papa' does mean 'father' and Simon Peter was designated as 'the Rock', not as the 'Head'.
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@urbandekay (18278)
11 Feb 13
Indeed, it is clear Jesus intends us to live as brothers and sisters, not in a hierarchy all the best, urban
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@jazel_juan (15746)
• Philippines
12 Feb 13
precisely..as to one mylotter pointed out why no woman can become a pope.. or the head.. Catholicism indeed is very much patriarchal.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
11 Feb 13
For some reason, when I saw the news my heart gave a little lurch. While it's not unprecedented, it's unusual and with the political instability of the world at this point, anything that changes can be a harbinger of something worse. I'm not a Catholic and hardly pay attention to the Pope or what he says, but I remember when Pope Benedict XVI came into power and the speculation as people watched closely to see if he was the "evil pope" that's been prophesied for so long. So... perhaps the next one will be? Who knows. Anyway, it's just another jolt on what has become a rather rocky ride.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
12 Feb 13
Strange, isn't it, debra? Or maybe not... I guess we shall see soon enough. They say the next Pope should be chosen by Easter.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Feb 13
According to St. Malachy's prophecy the NEXT Pope will be the LAST POPE.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Feb 13
I don't 'gasp' at many news stories, I did at this one. Really don't know why. But yes, I had a short feeling of impending doom. Shook it off quickly and went on to work.
@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
11 Feb 13
I am not really educated in religious beliefs and the such, but something did catch me off guard. You said (allow a younger) man to take the place as Pope. Maybe I am completely wrong, but I thought that the pope had to be of a certain age, an elder?
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@topffer (42156)
• France
12 Feb 13
You need to be younger than 80 to vote if you are a cardinal, not to be elected.
@topffer (42156)
• France
11 Feb 13
Traditionally any Catholic male could be elected without an age required : the youngest pope, John XII, was elected at 16 years old. Since a constitution of John Paul II in 1996, the pope has also now to be at least a priest. Due to 3 years of studies needed, young priests cannot have actually less than 18 or 19 years.
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
11 Feb 13
I believe you need to be younger than 80.
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@allknowing (138048)
• India
11 Feb 13
You have already said that a pope can resign. It is the first time for me in my lifetime and I am not happy about it as speculations will run a riot although he has clearly said his health is failing. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pope-says-will-resign-on-feb-28-vatican-spokesman.aspx?pageID=238&nID=40870&NewsCatID=393
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
11 Feb 13
I don't blame you at all, Allknowing, for feeling the way you do. It seems a little odd to me too, though it is really quite reasonable to me to expect people who hold offices like this to feel it necessary to resign, if health or other considerations demand it. I have felt much the same about our monarchy for a long time, though I believe that our Queen still sees it differently. There is already a 'book' going on who will be the successor. The favourite seems to be a man from Ghana but it would be stupid to say whether I prefer him or not. Not being a member of the Roman Catholic faith, it is probably of less real concern to me than who will be the next President of the United States, but I have to say that it would be interesting to know how the world in general would react to a black Pope!
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
11 Feb 13
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@allknowing (138048)
• India
11 Feb 13
I only hope there is no Pope fixing. Anything is possible these days!
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@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
11 Feb 13
What does the Pope (or any Priest, for that matter) DO other than 'say masses' & 'visit hospitals'?
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
11 Feb 13
The Vatican, where the Pope resides, neighbours on Italy and it makes a HUGE difference to what happens in Italy (unfortunately).
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
12 Feb 13
The Pope is head of the Catholic Church and Bishop of Rome. He is representative of Jesus Christ on Earth, just as St Peter was the first designate, and in the same sense that a vicar is to his parishioners (the word 'vicar' simply means 'one serving as a substitute or agent' and also gives us the word 'vicarious'). The Pope has many duties besides saying Mass and 'social duties' such as ministering to his flock, including the sick. Most of these duties are purely administrative, just like the CEO of any company and many of them are, of course, delegated. Much of the work of any priest is of an administrative nature and all priests, from the Pope down, work with a council or board of administrators in some way, acting very often as the head or chairman of the group. The obvious and public duties of a priest - those of conducting Church services and of making contact with his parishioners personally and individually - are, relatively, quite a small part of the things which occupy his daily life.
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@GardenGerty (161010)
• United States
11 Feb 13
Before I was reading through this discussion, my thoughts were rather plain and simple. He feels it is time for him to be done so he is resigning, rather than dragging out his failing health and so forth. Now that I read what others have to say, it does open up ideas of conspiracy and things of that sort.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
11 Feb 13
It is good that this pope chose to resign...I am sorry that he has been ill, but he did some very bizarre things during his term...There have been some great popes, this one was not one of those. He spoke from the chair on the issue of the physical existence of heaven and hell...He said that hell, etc. was a physical place. He also never renounced his affiliation with the brownshirts and the nazis in WWII. When a person with such power and presence does not renounce such as the nazis and brownshirts it gives the world the impression that such are sanctioned...This is a very bad thing.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
11 Feb 13
I think it's much more courageous to resign if you feel you're not up to the task than to hang in there too long. What relevance does the church have here? There are many catholics in the US, and church policy does influence how they vote, among other things. It's not very relevant to me personally though.
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@natliegleb (5175)
• India
11 Feb 13
Yes he can and if he feels that he needs to step down anytime and decide his future course of action and of course the formality will take some time
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@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
11 Feb 13
I`ve heard the news in real time and i wasn`t aware that a pope can resign.Oh well yesterday i`ve found that a priest from a church has retired so i think if you can retire like any other worker then you can also resign. Maybe it`s better this way, maybe behind his health problems was also a strategic move to make sure the church will be on good hands, probably he will have some influence on the election of the new Pope.Since i`m not Roman Catholic i can only hope the new one will be also a traditionalist like Ratzinger was.Maybe Christoph Schoenborn from Austria will become the new one.
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11 Feb 13
I think he did the right thing,he is really tired, both psychically and emotionally.These are not the best times for Catholic world and who knows what is ahead.Now people start guessing who's going to be the next pope.It will be the event of the year for some because they want to see if the prophecies concerning the new pope are right or wrong.We'll see.
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• Philippines
12 Feb 13
i agree with you ladysilver. better he resign if he thinks he can no longer do his work. as a pope, he's carrying the faith of all his subordinates. i just wish they choose a very strong and capable pope. and here comes the prophecies again.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
11 Feb 13
It seems as though the next pope might be a man from Ghana. Does it make a difference? he is Catholic is not it? And will be led the Catholic Church?
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@spicymary (558)
• Romania
11 Feb 13
I don't think this is the only explanation. It doesn't make any sense for me. In almost one thousand years nobody considered resignation, so the papacy it's not about the best fit man for that function. Benedict's health seems better that the health of John Paul II in his last years. I'm surprised and intrigued (as an orthodox-christian) and I think it's about a lot more than health.
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• Romania
11 Feb 13
Yes, my fault. Gregory XII resigned in 1415, which makes the almost thousand years I was talking a little more than half thousand.
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@BarBaraPrz (47724)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
11 Feb 13
I saw that on the Yahoo headline news, and then minutes later heard it on the radio news... I didn't realize he was ill.
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@GreenMoo (11833)
12 Feb 13
It looks as though the next Pope may be a man from Ghana. If you are a Catholic, how do you feel about that? I'm puzzled about this. Why should it matter where the new Pope comes from?
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
12 Feb 13
*I* don't think that it matters whether the Pope is green, has webbed feet and is professedly gay, so long as he is qualified in the things that do matter in the leadership of a Church. Some people, however, would like to see the colour of his skin as something which could be a deciding factor, others might actually welcome a black Pope. I was really addressing myself to such people in asking that question.
@GreenMoo (11833)
12 Feb 13
On that basis, how about a black, female, lesbian pope?
@alottodo (3056)
• Australia
12 Feb 13
And why not resign? may be at the end of the day he became wise in his old age! he may have realized that the catholic church and it's law have no place in the world today...like contraception for instance and abstinence from s*x[ I mean who does it?]may be the church will wake up and renew their policy other wise they will be obsolete in the near future.
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
12 Feb 13
I don't believe for a moment that this Pope has lost his Faith or that he doesn't believe very much in the relevance of the Catholic Church today (whatever others may think). It is clear that he believes that there may be another better fitted to take on the very arduous and responsible duties of the head of such an organisation and that he sees (or has been advised) that now is a good time to allow another man the opportunity of leading the Church more effectively than he feels he is capable of doing, for whatever reasons.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Feb 13
I love a good mystery. Last Pope to resign was in the 15th century. The papal prophecy of Malachy says Benedict XVI would be the next to the last Pope. In the year 1140, an Irish bishop named Malachy visited Rome with a group of monks. They climbed the Janiculum Hill to thank God for the safe completion of their journey. While there (so the story goes), Malachy had a vision in which he “saw” 111 Popes to the end of time. Each Pope was chronicled with by a short, cryptic epigram in Latin. And with the resignation of Benedict XVI, the last Pope on Saint Malachy’s list is about to be elected. The prophecy for the last Pope contained a alarming vision: “During the last persecution of the Holy Roman church there shall sit Peter of Rome, who shall feed the sheep amidst the many great tribulations, and when these have passed, the City of the Seven Hills shall be utterly destroyed and the awful Judge will judge the people.” http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/340318/next-pope-last-pope-father-dwight-longenecker So are we there yet?
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
11 Feb 13
We were already there in my response on the first page here
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
12 Feb 13
So, are you planning on moving if you do live near Rome? just a tinsy itsy bitsy bit of humor. sorry. If you are the type to follow such things, there are many prophecies coming to fruition lately. Like Persia (Iran) threatening Israel, along with Israel being surrounded by the very nations listed in the Old Testament that are to gather at Har Meggedon to destroy them. but of course I know not all care for this kind of talk. the news made me 'gasp' and shudder. I'm not Catholic, but I do realize the significance of this nonetheless.
@vandana7 (100646)
• India
11 Feb 13
I think priests including pope are there to decipher the content in holy books, and solve people's problems based on the underlying principles of all the stories in the holy scriptures. While so, we have, over the years added several new tasks such as inauguration ceremonies and coronation ceremonies to their existing list of duties. In the present scenario, where the population has grown so much, and the corresponding number of priests is fast dwindling, their workload certainly increases manifold. We unfortunately dont offer them the choices that we give ourselves. For example, if we want to change a car, we do, if we want to change a house we do, if we want to change a profession, we do, if we want to change our spouses we do. But they have no right to get into that calling, and then change their line. We all feel inclined to be kind and considerate at times. And at times, we are not all that nice (at least I am not). So why do we expect those people to feel no need to leave all that behind and take it easy. Why do we not think it can be monotonous to be doing same thing over and over each day 365 days of the year, and that for next 50 or 60 years! And at times, it must get frustrating, and that might manifest itself on unsuspecting poor souls. Is it only the duty of such few some of whom may have errorneously chosen that path, to do good to the society, while we get busy filling our coffers? My mind keeps on asking such questions. In this light, I want the pope to have that liberty. Anything that is done out of compulsions cant be very good. It should be done with heart. If he finds himself incapable of carrying out those duties for any reason, he should have a right to be honest about it, instead of sinning by pretending he likes his job.
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@topffer (42156)
• France
11 Feb 13
As Laglen said, the last pope to have resigned seems to be Gregory XII in 1415. The renunciation is allowed by canon law -- ch 1 art 1 can 332 -- and has only to be expressed and done deliberately to be valid. If the pope feels that he is too weak to do his job, he is right to resign. I think that it is impossible today to predict who will be the next pope. In this particular case, maybe Benedict XVI will design himself the cardinal who will do the interim until the next election, but in fact any male Catholic can be elected.
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