You are either for Jesus or against Jesus? Really?

Assuming makes and A$4 out of U and Me! that's it, these people assume Everyone will see And agree with their truth. And when someone like me says no Jesus is your G-d but not mine, they freak out! Then they assume I said I hated Him . wrong All I said was He isn't my G-d. I have been told I'm going to hell so many times I welcome the trip. If the people who are saying this are the ones in heaven, Heaven would be a hell for me. thanks for your response. Now I Fully understand.

Good thing the Bible isn't about 'going to Heaven.'

Neither do I! I guess many seeing being Against something or someone means they are out to destroy them. No! It just means it or the person is not for them. They are not apart of the movement. They are neutral.

An illustration: I have a thriving business. I offer you a job. If you come to work for me then you are contributing to my business and helping it to grow. If you refuse to work for me then you are not helping my business. When it comes top pay-time. Will you get paid? True Christianity will one day be the only religion. Nobody hates anybody. However I can't stop Jesus on who he gives everlasting life and who he doesn't.

The comment is based on Matthew 25:31-46.

I'm Jewish too. I converted when I was 17. I have heard so many times that i'm hell bound I welcome the trip . I see it this way. If Only Christians get in , I don't want to go. I'll be so out of place it Would be hell. I agree with you. That is why I was shocked a person would believe this. Thanks for your Response. Have a happy Passover.

So Only Single Orphans will get to heaven? Wow! And we Don't See Jesus as a cult leader? Isn't that most cults want you to do, give Everything to them ? If this is exactly what He is saying No wonder I'm not Christian! Silly me I love my guy and my family and friends. Silly me , My g-d is the reason I can love them. He isn't so insecure He needs All my love so He can feel worthy. So Sorry but this makes Jesus sound like a selfish , spoiled little tyrant! I Know that isn't true! It can't be.

Good point there. And if there's a Bible-believing Christian reading this who can set it right, please do. Because as I remember it, Jesus never made the claims that he himself was a god. Other people telling the story gave him that distinction. It wasn't even agreed upon yet as the early Bible was put together. There was still much dissent. But, of course, no religion is complete without casting the dissenters out and hammering the new religion into everyone's skull -- sometimes literally. I agree with you that we're all one, but perhaps for different reasons. We're all made of the exact same stuff. And it's been proven that even separated atoms can share information and a connection.

So said someone. So it shall be. But what said the avatar.

"To those who dare to say and teach that our Lord Jesus Christ did not descend to earth, but only seemed to; or that He did not descend to the earth and become incarnate only once, but many times, and who likewise deny that the true Wisdom of the Father is His only-begotten Son, Anathema!" It`s not my intention to curse anyone, i just wanted to ask you, how can you not understand in the age of computer games and stupid 3D movies like Avatar that Jesus was an AVATAR.How come simple people living eons back understood this but you can`t ? I am not talking about the reality of the existence of God, but of the very simple act of reading a book and understanding what you read.

So sad. I bet he is the type of guy who would throw out his child if he thought they were " siding with evil."

No I really believe he would be That rigid to his own child. I assume if Everything is black and white a person , it pertains to Everything and everyone in their lives.

Probably different if it were his child, but he would no doubt give the child a good lecture about why he shouldn't do that.

If you can't serve two masters then a child most love one parent and hate the other?How does that work? I think that two masters clause was about the Church/temple and Rome. !00% commitment in your faith is important. The problem , people being bullied into a faith that isn't truly theirs out of fear. That is so sad. So it is Jesus or hell? Ok I choose hell. and so many others too. In my neighborhood , there are more children of Islam. So my at least all my friends will go with me right? Ok. See I believe G-d is G-d. And people can believe in Him or not. Just because you believe in g-d Does not mean you are heaven bond. Just like if you don't believe in G-d you are automatically going to hell.

The problem with this passage is that there are many who are not with Or for G-d in any form. they are not working against Jesus, they just don't want to join Him.I would hope that Everyone wouldn't hate a person Just for being different.

Actually. it is really very straightforward where since the beginning of times if you do not believe in God then you are on the other side of the bank which is Satan. It is even mentioned in the Bible "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other" Matthew 6:24. I think it is very true about love where there is nothing short of a 100% commitment and no two ways about it. We cannot be in the middle which is so much about the world today where everything is so about and done half heartedly. I mean look around to see where that has got us. Endless struggles in relationships, escalating divorce rates and no stopping to look elsewhere when things get tough when it should be looking for ways to fix it. I believe this part of the passage is not about getting Christians to hate non Christians but to be aware of the line to walk. In the first place, Christianity has been about for non believers, non Christians, imperfects, infidels or criminals even. I am sure the One up there, is not giving anything short of 100% to theirs, so the returns should be no lesser on those who stand on His side.

Really? After reading all these posts I knew I Just knew I was hell bound Just for being my true self. So there is hope. See I believe Jesus is a G-d to and for Christians. My G-d is His father. Jesus Knows , and I know He knows I'm not one of His followers.So I'm still good. Thanks.

YW.Hell bound? i just love those who claim to be Christians and yet attempt to speak for God with intimidation ridicule and judgement. There isn't one statement in Jesus' word where he says a person will go to Hell for not believing in him and i would charge any Bible reader to show me where it's written or even implied.

Read John 15:1-6 I don`t want to threaten anyone, you just asked for an example.

Thanks twin.

I am religious but not radical. You are not religious and moral. Many would not belueve people like us exist. Some guy who lives morally Without a G-d? Some Jew who believe Jesus Is a G-d for Christians?! It just gos to show those with absolute views are missing out on knowing some good people.

We are original, thats for sure. You're right, there are not many of us walking around on this planet. LOL. Those radical yahoo's are a little off. And I am sure they think we are off in the head. Who cares is what I say. Always be who you are. Never change. Hey Now!!!!!

Then I'm ice cold for Jesus. Being " hot for Jesus" sounds like they want date Him! I know it is just Hollywood's version but in all the films I have seen about Jesus He never bullies people to follow Him. If they just don't get it , He Walks away. I fear it is the insecure that Have to get everyone to follow their path.

Hopefull , you heaven isn't for me. I am not willing to pay the price of having to be someone else. Besides , My heaven is here!

Oh, and 'being you' for one miserable instant is worth MOUNTAINS-MORE than eternal bliss? Fine! As for Heaven (which I'm glad the Bible says NOTHING ABOUT), it's one of Buddhism's 10 'levels of existence' (I forget the words Buddhism uses for that, but they're all 'ways of thought' that every human ALWAYS has in mind). So I let the Christians follow the fairy-tale that Heaven is some magical land where angels play harps & walk on golden streets in front of your servants' mansions around your mega-mansion ... just like they may believe that marriage makes you fertile and singleness makes you infertile. Doesn't make it true to reality, but 'true to themselves' works just fine (as long as they stay out of reality's way)!

One of mybest friends is born again. He said it saved his life and I thank Jesus for that. I started this post because I was shocked that a guy, not my friend but another, would beieve just because I am not Christian , I'm a satanist. was this post harsh? Ok, sorry. but I had to find out if other Christians feel the same. Sadly they do and I have yet other reason Not to be christian. But this does not mean I'll hate them the way they hate me. It just means I made the best choice Never be Christian. I am not welcome but that is good. If this means I'm against Jesus in some way so be it. sorry my heart is as open as it can be.

I'm sorry but I rather be happy and damned by Christians than " saved" and miserable.I have been told I'm going to hell so many times I am looking forward to the trip. What I will not agree to is that I am against Jesus. he is just not my G-d , period. Never can be . And I know He knows that I know He knows!

I see.. I understand you. Here in our country, we have a certain "Christian" denomination which declares that they are the only ones who can be saved. I don't like that notion. I won't be saved because of my religion I am aware of that but they aren't I guess. You are saved because of your faith not because of the group in which you belong. As for going to heaven or hell... I fear hell but that doesn't mean that I believe Jesus because I am using Him. If you had someone you deeply care for and love, you wouldn't like him saying "I love you" back just because he knew he would get something in return. I worship God through Christ because He had saved me during those times when everything was dark and I was close to evil. You may not believe me but an early age, I often see or experience having elementals or weird creatures around. Aside from that for some reason, my family seemed like it was breaking apart and a lot was going on. However, it was through him that I knew God. I don't know if I will be saved from hell and I honestly don't care. I just love Him because He love me first. It's sad that that certain guy you are talking about is too much into religion that he is blinded by how other people should be treated. Just don't mind him. I'm sure he's going learn his lesson one way or another. (I hope not in a hard way.) We don't judge people because of his or her religion.

The sad part is many lies are spread and others believe and either walk away Or worse start to hate because of these lies. This goes for more than Christianity.It is so sad.

That's when faith comes in. I am just saying it Doesn't have to be in Jesus. There are many paths. Pick one and be faithful!

Finding the truth about something is not always easy. We hear, see and read so much that sometimes it can be overwhelming. And there are things we can never be sure about or find irrefutable answers to.

No way, Jose.

Quite a few of them responded to this discussion. Go meet them. I'll wait patiently to troll after the initial "hello."

Ok! All I can say is Amen! I think the Dalai is at more peace than any other human on the planet. I'm way too shy to meet him though. But I do respect him. Thanks for your response.

Gandhi didn't end up a racist. This is like bashing St Paul about his past. As for Tibet,There has always been torture of slaves and or prisoners, even in Christian countries.

So even if I believe Jesus is your G-d and in Everything He did just because I don't see Him as My G-d I am going to hell? Ok! I rather go there and be myself than have to lie to get into heaven.

JESUS is the way THE TRUTH and the life.... He is not a lie...HE IS THE TRUTH.....rosekiss is right we are given the free will to choose.....yet It's HE who knows who are going to hell and who are going to heaven...but for me I choose HIM... I believe in HIM....HE is THE TRUTH. Have you ever wonder who made heaven and earth???? You've mentioned that you were made by your parents but who made them? who made you grandparents and ancestors????? May God Bless you!!

G-d made heaven and earth and through evolution my parents were created. Not Jesus , but His father. My G-d. Did you assume I was G-dlesss Just because I am not a Christian? Well I'm not. I agree Jesus is Your truth , not mine.

It is so true. and they don't realize how they are making people turn away from Their version of Christianity. As an outsider I thought all you needed was your faith in Jesus and you are in! I think you are more close to the Christians Jesus wants! Thanks for your responses. take Care.

Hehe well I guess we'll find out where we will really end up the day we leave the earth.

I don't know if I am wrong for saying this but as in religion I kinda don't believe it anymore I only believe in Jesus and our father I think religions just separate everyone even more. The reasons are because I have came across Christians who are rude and very condemning towards non Christians they claim that if you are not a Christian you are not with god. Though I do not have much knowledge of the bible I am not sure if you are to be a christian to enter the peaceful home of our lord. One was a close friend of the family and would speak in a profane language with us every time he would be there and I have thought less good about that religion. Many claim Christianity as their religion but don't act in a kind way.

" Christians want rewards for their efforts of following the religion"? what? Isn't Knowing your G-d is there when you need Him enough?Wow. So you believe you either believe in Jesus and go the heaven or you are going to hell? I'm hell bound if that is the Only two choices! I believe there are many paths to the Being many call G-d, other call Jesus. all you need to do is find which path and do our best and you make it.

Yeah. The Bible seems a bit odd in that respect. It was constructed by committee, deciding to use the stories which were being told at the time. No matter which gospels or scrolls or whatever else one may refer to, they're all simply stories laid out by man, some of which claim that a god spoke or showed them something, and others which claim run-ins with Jesus. The 6-day creation with rest on the 7th, Adam and then Eve from a rib, a forbidden item in paradise, and on and on -- these are stories from religions which predate Judaism and Christianity by big chunks of time. But that clears a lot of stuff up. I mean, whether or not a religion is truth isn't what I'm quibbling about here. If someone believes it, have at it. But that the holiest of holy books is just a by-committee canonization of popular tales of the time is the one precursor which would suggest it is never going to change. It was interpreted from the start. Even if the Christian God and Jesus are real, the stories are still those written by man. So it's obvious that it's going to be interpreted to fit man's will. If it were written by a divine being with the power attributed to the Christian God, there would be no committee. There would be no other interpretations. There would be no confusion. It would be the greatest thing ever, as a result of coming from the greatest thing imaginable. People wouldn't have to dispute--as is happening in this very discussion--what verse X means compared to verse Y, or what Jesus demands or doesn't demand, or what it means to be Christian. There would be no arguing about which story is a metaphor, which is to be taken literally, and which should be ignored because it contradicts another verse or two. As for a rewards system: I've heard some religious people tell me that, without their religion, they would just become evil, that they might as well kill themselves, etc, because there wouldn't be any point to life. Way to hold the moral high ground. I'm a huge proponent of spirituality. But when it comes to the dogma that always trails the big religions, it gets scary. I believe many of the religious people out there, of all different faiths, especially those perverting it to commit atrocity, would be much happier to simply keep their religion personal. It's the belief that everyone must abide that has led to so much disaster.

Here is the real dialogue between God and Adam (before Eve was created ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Djee2jA35Gg

He wants me to be someone I'm not. He wants me to love my enemies, not seek ouit revenge. so sorry if I started doing that all the rage would turn inward and I would want to kill myself. I rather have the right to be angry with someone and hope for the proper time for the proper revenge. That way I get to be nice until it is time not to be nice. Jesus wants me to be nice even when a person hurts me. That means to Him my feelings don't count. Sorry can;t do that. All this does not mean I don't Believe He is a G-d. He is just not mine, can't be. But I know He knows I know I will never be welcome in his following. But that is ok.I'm happy.My G-d. Jesus' father has a vindictive streak and He seems to be ok with me As Is.

Casting Eve and Adam out of the garden when it Was His fault ,The 10 plagues on the Egyptians, And the Flood are what I call His Vindictive Streak. His Enemey is His twin Brother , the Devil. You can't have G-d without the Devil. to me they are a package deal. What you call my lifestyle , I call my life. I am happy to dig both graves Just as long as I get to put my enemy into his First! It is my core. without it I wouldn't be the nice person people say I am.No need for the Bible study. See if I find my G-d isn't like what I Need Him to be , then I'll be truly G-dless. i believe whatever version of g-d you Need , He will become. Christians need Jesus, Mr Nice G-d, Me I don't.

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves." Confucius. Your feelings obviously count if you are a believer in GOD. But it seems to me that you are just not really wanting to follow because it just doesnt fit your life style. Vindictive streak? I dont agree, and that is only because of the point that is missed when it comes to the Old Testament. He isnt an "angry god" getting revenge on his enemies... Who are his enemies? He really has none, because if he created everything, his "enemies" are destroyed with a snap of a finger. So if you believe in him, give respect where respect is due. And for Bible study to see about this "vindictive streak" you talk about, go to www.facebook.com/YahvahsTruthRestoredMinistries?ref=tn_tnmn You can talk about anything you like there.