Misunderstandings can occur when there are language differences
By stary1
@stary1 (6612)
United States
February 21, 2013 3:26pm CST
I often see misunderstandings in internet discussions that clearly are the result of a misunderstanding in languages. Whether it be the use of terms or expressions or grammar, it happens. I am encouraged to see most understand but feel for those who 'take things to heart'..
I am reminded of a discussion where a woman jokingly said.."you can't teach an old dog new tricks" Someone not familiar with the term felt she was insulting her hubby by calling him a dog..
I thought nothing of it at the time, ..but then later I started to see in a sense calling ones' hubby a dog could be an insult..unintentional as it was,,
I get angry when people criticize grammar..good grief anyone trying to learn English should be applauded, not put down ..it's a tough language...
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19 responses
@blackrusty (3519)
• Mexico
21 Feb 13
no one has a right to say anything about any one at any time
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Feb 13
hi blackusty you are right and we all should make a note of that as so many times what we Americans consider a joke nobody else in other countries does.Thus people from other countries feel hurt or thought ill of. So we must be very careful and very thoughtful
in writing discussions,
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Feb 13
once I really put my foot into then is when I realized some jokes are not funny at all. this woman was a bit antsy to start with and she really did make an insult as she said she thought I was a troll. I told her no of co urse i was not and I hated them as much as anyone else.. Then I went out on a limb and said joking that if she did not stop saying that I would sic Gaby's dog Gissi on her. now I thought she was familiar with that user who was on here a lot at that time and her little dog who was not aggressive at all.But she told me that that was really mean and she was reporting m e.oddly my joke was not deleted but her response to me both of them were deleted.But I also felt that i should never have said that even though I was just joking as it was taken literally .
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@mani118 (146)
• Pakistan
21 Feb 13
You are Right Misunderstanding do Occur when there is Language difference. You can't able to convey your opinion as good as you wanted specially on internet.Here you don't have body experassion whick we often use to share our opinion in face to face discussion
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
22 Feb 13
hi mani118
That is a very good point...the internet can be confusing without voice and body expressions...for example what do you mean could be interpreted..
what do you mean
what do you mean
Hearing the voice would clearly show which was meant while type can't without smilies..and btw..that is why I love to use smlies...people say I overdo them, but I like them...and if I were not restricted to 3 smilies per post at myLot I would use more...
@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
22 Feb 13
Misunderstanding happen all the time. It is sad too. Cultural difficulties too. I am a big criticizer of grammar. I try to be tactful but it really irritates me. ANd not just because of the language difference. People now days don't even puncuate a sentence, capitolize or anything. I have to decipher the discussion sometimes. Where does the sentence end and a new one start? It's so lazy and unprofessional and as a writer I really hate to see this happening to the English language.
@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Feb 13
Well, I am glad to know there are afew others out there that feel as I do and want to do a good job in grammar. I heard somewhere too that they are thinking of taking teaching writing out of the schools. Can you believe it?!
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
23 Feb 13
celticeagle
I especialy notice we have lost the use of adverbs. If I hear one more person say 'drive careful' I think I'll scream
I think texting has been an influence on many of the kids. I find myself tempted to use "u" in place of typing out "you" and I don't even text!
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@stary1 (6612)
• United States
25 Feb 13
celticeagle
I haven't heard that but I shouldn't be surprised I guess.. I am sad, but not surprised. Spelling has taken a hit too. I remember when my daughter was very young in school and I asked if she had spelling lessons. In all seriousness she said, why do I need spelling lessons, we have spellcheck
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@kingparker (9673)
• United States
21 Feb 13
Oh, in reality, I saw such misunderstanding in language occur in workplace also. A lady who is from Eastern Europe has deep grief against the team leader who is a native born American. With the language differences, she thought that our team leader from time to time to give her hard time, or make her feel bad. In fact, she just misunderstand her meaning, that is all.
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
22 Feb 13
That is true. And making use of these emoticons can somehow help the reader understand well what is the exact emotion of the writer who made the comment.
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
23 Feb 13
Hahahaha! I felt the same way, too! At least now we can play with them and show how we really feel....
@mondaylover (183)
• Poland
21 Feb 13
Yes, I see plenty of language misunderstandings in internet discussions and sometimes I'm even involved in them. As a non native speaker I try to do my best to make my english at least understandable but sometimes trying is just not enough. And when the misunderstanding occurs I'm not even able to tell if it's my fault or someone else for not getting my point. It can be quite frustrating but I belive I'll improve very soon.
@sylvia13 (1850)
• Nelson Bay, Australia
21 Feb 13
I also had to learn English and it's not easy, although I found French much easier to learn, as it resembles Spanish, my mother tongue! German I found much more difficult and I have to admit that I gave up after 19 years of living in a German speaking country! Now I am back in Australia, where they speak English and it is so good to understand people and even news and programs on television and it feels like a real luxury!
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@stary1 (6612)
• United States
23 Feb 13
hi sylvia13
I soooooo admire people who can speak more than one or two languages..I took French in school...4 years lol and I can't speak it now. I didn't use it and I lost it...
I am glad English was my primary language because I think it is a hard language to learn...
@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
22 Feb 13
I know how this feels like. I recently opened a topic that has caused a stir in some of the mylot members and caused me a star (I used to be a blue-star). I guess it's true that it's difficult to really type words because the reader may not get the same understanding as the ones the discussion starter did. I forgot that there are those who take offense at everything they read while those who take things calmly - after all it's a matter of how you read the lines (or read between the lines).
I have certainly realized that most people read discussions with contradiction as a mind set. You touch certain areas and then most would react as if you're insulted their every being body and soul. hehee.. While on the other hand, the writer was just innocently expressing his/her thoughts - no pun intended.
I guess it takes a lot of responsibility to post in the internet. You never know whose toes you have unintentionally stepped on. But still, we're here to discuss, and I have always embraced the possibility that "You cannot please everyone".
Have a great mylot experience ahead!
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@laydee (12798)
• Philippines
25 Feb 13
Hahaha.. Thanks for the compliment, however, there are topics where people are sensitive and I think I made the mistake of joining such. Anyhow, I am over the star now, what's important is that we're earning and enjoying ourselves.
But I really hoped that we could be ourselves here without people breathing down your neck every time you don't agree with them. But well, nobody's perfect and no site is perfect as well.
Let's just hope that the negative ratings don't motive earnings hahahaha..
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
24 Feb 13
hi laydee
A whole star?? Good grief..I know stars are not extrememly important, but nice. You have so many posts...7600 and climbing.. it seems unfair to take away a blue star
I have never read anything from you that would justify negative ratings.
Disagreememtns should be welcomed..it gives us each a chance to reexamine our own opinions..
You have a good attitude and that is even more why I think your negative ratings were probably not warranted..
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
22 Feb 13
Oh gosh, I speak English as a native language and I've gotten insulted at some of our crazy phrases. I'm sensitive by nature so that does not help. I remember once opening up the store I work in. I'm normally a night person so I was kind of just going through the motions. It was 6am...Ugh. In walks a man and I smiled and said "good morning". He said "well aren't you a sight for sore eyes." Tears welled up in my eyes. I was not in any mood to start my day this way. When he noticed my sad little look, he felt bad and asked me what he'd said wrong. I assured him that I would be fine but it was too early in the morning and I wasnt ready to be insulted. All puzzeled, he assured me that he complimented me. Now I was really confused. I took it to mean that I hurt his eyes. He said "NO...You sooth my eyes." I was in my 30's and heard that saying for years and always was very hurt and insulted by it. ...probably for no good reason. I can't imagine not being English and trying to learn this language.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
24 Feb 13
Ya...it's sad that I waisted all that time feeling hurt and upset over something that I probably, I guess, completly misunderstood. My mother was very critical so I already had a bit of a hangup and then that stupid azz saying which I heard more than enough...oh you don't even know. I did not have internet at the time. Our language has to be the most complicated of all. I guess if you can learn English then you can probably learn any language. How the heck did we even learn it?
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Feb 13
hi stary1 Yes I had one myself which brought me up short. An Indian friend of mine responded to my discussions asking what I was eating while mylotting,. I replied "A hot dog with relish".He quickly responded "oh no you a nice lady do not eat dog wrong." I quickly
replied"Oh no I meant i am eating a beef wiener. I do not eat dog meat., we have dogs for our pets". He responded" thats fine I am so glad as I thought you were a nice lady" Things we take for granted can trip up a person from another country.
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@silverfox09 (4708)
• United States
22 Feb 13
Some people have personal problem long before they come online and they just want to be angry at anyone . Language , culture can really be the cause of misunderstanding online .
I once replied to a discussion and the person swear I was calling them a "LIAR" lol , so before I could reply some other members replied explaining to the person what I meant and let them see it was nothing to be offended about, they finally got it. I was so grateful I never had to deal with it so.
Because some people may be using translator and from different countries they cant understand your expression . I think what people should do is just not jump to conclusion because things dont always mean what we think and we should learn to be more tolerant with each other .
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@stary1 (6612)
• United States
23 Feb 13
silverfox09
I think you are right. Some have built up anger and use any excuse to lash out to relieve the pressures they are carrying within.
It never occurred to me that some here my be using a translator.....I should have thought of that. That could also explain why some have a really difficult time. Even more reason for me to continue to admire those who struggle through and are trying to learn English as another language!!
Giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, is always a good idea!
@bryanwmc (1051)
• Malaysia
21 Feb 13
it is in the mindset of the reader, i am sure that there was no putting down her own husband by using that term but as a matter of fact it could have been an endearing term and lightheartedly used calling husband a dog to me, i think i ll just snicker and kind of "get it"although i will probably read it as it meant, whats wrong with dogs by the way, i envy some dogs" the phrase " it's a dog's life don't seem to apply accurately anymore when you consider the luxurious pampering and attention or love some enjoy, more comfy than marjority of people in 3rd world countries...
. When things are read out of context , something can be started from nothing, like using the "N" word but seems to be fine when not white folk use it.
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
22 Feb 13
You are so right re "language barriers" that cause misunderstandings. Some languages don't even have words that are equivalent or easy to translate into other languages.
What you are referring to in your quote re "old dogs, new trick" is actually an idiom, a word or phrase peculiar and specific to a particular language and culture, such as also, "It's raining cats and dogs".
It's easy for misunderstanding to occur even when people are speaking the same language due to "semantics", meanings, or understanding of words which are specific or peculiar to an individual.
Actually there are languages far tougher than English, but, no matter what, we should try to learn and understand both our own language, and at least a smattering of other languages as well.
Words are very important and they should be learned correctly no matter what the language. Correcting a language mistake is not criticizing, but helping one to learn the language by example, and that's a good thing.
It also helps to prevent misunderstandings.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
24 Feb 13
Of course any language that is new to anyone is difficult at the getgo.
Russian has some 18 verb conjugations. This was told to me by my Russian foreign exchange student who said even Russians like himself had difficulty with the language.
Of course no one's perfect, nor is any language, but these days all over the world many do not know the nuts and bolts of their own language and even speak a slang version of it. Words are for communication, but it's important to know the formal language before speaking only informally.
Of course, also, correcting error should, as you say be done respectfully, but so should receiving correction. Too many folks today resent what is truly helpful and choose to be "unteachable".
Not only is a "spirit of correction" helpful, kind, and not at all condemning, but incumbent on one as a responsible person to give accurate information re grammar, usage.
For example, one who doesn't know or understand the rudiments of a new language may say something that would either embarass or actually hurt himself if he meets other unpleasant people.
It may be a bit of a "sticky wicket", but one could preface correction by saying, "May I help you since this is new to you", or something similar.
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
24 Feb 13
epicure35
You are right, and idioms are specially difficult for those just learning a language since the words do not literally mean what they say. Also different parts of the country use different idioms..but with the internet that isn't a problem so much any more.
I have heard others say there are languages tougher than English and I don't doubt that..but imo English is raher difficult too..I do admire those who speak more than 2 languages..Europeans tend to do that far more than Americans.
Correcting mistakes should always be done respectfully and accepted but then there are so many different personalites, not everyone will be pleasant.
@smiling_ja (261)
• Philippines
22 Feb 13
Yeah right. Not everyone's that well in written and oral communication but I guess everyone's trying their best to convey their thoughts by writing what they believe to be correct. Just like me who's new in this site and not active most of the time, and I see and read posts of some beginners, when I don't like what I read, I just let it be, I don't comment in fear that I may be taking it in a different light than what it is supposed to mean.
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@stary1 (6612)
• United States
24 Feb 13
smiling_ja
You are being very polite and considerate. I also think it would be ok to ask for an explanation or clarification. I sometimes quickly type something and when I go back it is not quite what I meant to say..lol another reason I wish we had an edit feature..
Also more and more I am tranposing leters, but I refuse to say it's an age problem
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
1 Mar 13
Sometimes it's so easy to respond and then when you have read it once submitted you realize that it could be misconstrued and interpreted the wrong way. I know I myself who native tongue is English sometimes gets things wrong, in that I have misunderstood, but hey, it's the way we learn and it can be comical, providing it's taken lightly and not personally.
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
2 Mar 13
wolfie34
You are so correct..misinterpretations can often be funny. Much depends on attitude..
I know what you mean about noticing things after submission. I especially am upset over my spelling mistakes..lol when I proof read I sometimes do not see the mistake until I submit..It's frustrating...especially since I have been transposing letters lately..
@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
21 Feb 13
OH stary...I wonder if that was me...just recently I used that expression here, but oft times, I truly forget where I am, that I am in an international community and I am expressing myself in some terms of English, and some-what bygone days. And I too, feel it has something to do with the frame of mind of the person reading..and one just has to sit back and realize there can/is a language interpretation mishap!
Incidentally, in my world...teaching a old dog, new tricks is almost endearing!
Yes, I concur, any foreign language when one is not fully enmeshed can be controversial!
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
22 Feb 13
hi pergammano
No it wasn't you..it wasn't even on myLot..it was in 'real life'...and a very close friend...
I agree a lot has to do with one's frame of mind...and it's smart to remember that when speaking with people from all over the world as we do on mylot. One needs to be especially careful to remember there are cultural and language differences.
LOL teaching an old dog new tricks is not a put down in my opinion either..
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
23 Feb 13
I do not ever intend to put anyone down, but I have sometimes offered information that would help the writer get across their intended meaning more clearly . English, I've been told, is a very confusing language.
@savypat (20216)
• United States
23 Feb 13
You are so right, English is a very difficult language and I am very thankful for all of you here on mylot that are learning it. I try to read through all the discussions I get and some have been pretty hard, but rarely have I had to give up.
Just the past, present and future tenses really present a problem. I certianly never get into correcting grammar. I am terrible at language and could never even begin to try some of the ones that are first languages to many mylotters.
@stary1 (6612)
• United States
2 Mar 13
savypat
I am not good with languages either..I get mixed up..yet some speak 5 or 6 languages..It's a gift plus hard work I think
I say congrats to all learning English here and never give up and never ever apologize for less than perfect grammar. Heck many Americans who have spoken Englih since birth have trouble with English
@tyleremy (170)
• China
23 Feb 13
Hi,stary!
I agree with you.For me,I don't get most jokes in English and I think it has something to do with culture and tradition.I am afraid of responding posts and posting discussions sometime when someone laugh at my english.Thhis is a nice place to improve our english.Instead of laughing, I think english-speaking nativers can tell us some sayings about tradition, that helps us to understand.Soemtimes teaching is fun.