This Is Rocket Science, Guys
By Bluebell18
@Bluebell18 (636)
United States
February 22, 2013 2:52pm CST
In his editorial to the Associated Press, Tom Haum writes that the White House catalogs spending woes. The potential shock of the economy sees gas prices according to AAA, an average $3.78 a gallon, an increase of .47$ since last month. WalMart sees a decline in sales in the February-April period just like last year.
If that's not enough, job security for our law enforcement, including National Parks, military defense, FBI agents and prosecutors are on the line. Why? Because of two very important people that are thwarting this dilemma; John Boehner & Mitch McConnell.
These two are the ones that does not see eye to eye with the President (SHOCKER!) While democrats wants higher revenue for closing tax loopholes and support some spending cuts, the republicans wants to insist on tackling deficits with spending cuts alone.
Now, I know that I'm probably making a lot of waves, here. But, I am who I am. I haven't been on this site in over a week because it was quite apparent that I angered quite a few MyLotters that are on the other side of the spectrum. I've been told to go back to school and learn Government, and other mean stuff. (I was mean, too. I admit it.) But, while I'm going to be sensitive and respectful to others, I do have a few comments regarding this touchy subject.
While I stand firm behind our president and all of his executive decisions for bettering our country, I do want him to take some form of initiative as to enforcing his constituents on the other side to think of the country, other than themselves. It seems as though now that while the House are acting like children, what they don't know or don't care to know is that this country is on the brink, if not now, of a financial collapse. Both sides should put away the bickering, the fighting, and nonsense and get the ball rolling. What say y'all?
* I'm being reasonable. I won't belittle anyone here, no matter what side of politics you're on.*
6 responses
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
22 Feb 13
One question. What spending cuts are the Democrats proposing? I haven't seen any in either the bills proposed or heard any in Presidential speeches.
However, I have heard that Joe Biden prefers shotguns over AR-15s.
Technically, the President has nothing to do with with gas prices as the Democrats on this board love to claim. There are things that the President can do to lower them but he hasn't done any of that yet.
Then there is the military. Technically, with all of the money not spent on wars, the President can afford to keep a few of these guys on. Since absolutely none of that money is being used to pay down the National debt. But there is no job security for any job, why should the Federal Government be immune on that one? Oh, and let's not forget that there are higher premiums for Tricare, the military's health insurance plan.
Technically, revenue for the Federal Government should be higher next year. There was the end of the Social Security tax. Included in next year's taxes are an increase in the Medicare tax, taxes on health care equipment, a few closed tax loopholes. This year has seen the closure of the Bush tax cuts on those over $400,000. Guess what? The Federal Government is getting more revenue. In fact, they have seen an increase every year since 2009.
Every proposal made by the President is basically a spending increase. In 99% of the cases, there has been little, none or even negative gain from it.
Walmart sales are actually easy to explain. Remember, the Social Security tax "holiday?" Well, it's over. People have less in their paychecks to spend at Walmart. There is also a movement away from shopping at Walmart as people are becoming bargain hunters and coupon fanatics. An increase in online shopping has also hurt Walmart sells. Welcome, to the concept of market forces at work.
What Tom Haum fails to address is that the fundamental failure of the Government to spend money responsibly. He also fails to address one fundamental fact of a lack of a Federal Budget. How in the world is the Government knowing where their money is going with out one? That's step one in controlling finances. Establish a budget.
It really isn't Rocket Science. It is basic Mathematics and you wonder why the school systems are failing. The President and Congress can't add and subtract correctly.
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@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
22 Feb 13
I agree with your last lines.
As for spending cuts, I have literally only heard military spending on one side and any type of social security, medicare, and medicaid cuts for the other side. Those are the main cuts that either party wants it seems. Smaller cuts that wouldn't impact either our defense or the poorest citizens come up but aren't as largely covered by people in either party.
Still no real talks on either side about ending or drastically decreasing foreign aid or cutting the amount of government funds some (not all) some corporations get every year. Whatever happened to being responsible for your own business and if it fails you lose your business. I mean it is terrible but that is the risk you take when you create your own business. It is just like getting stocks. You risk losing your investment if the market changes or the company is losing money/shutting down. Yes people would lose jobs and some person waiting for an opening/opportunity could and probably would rise up.
I am in full support of ALL politicians - President, Vice-President, Senators, the House, Mayors, Governors, etc. - taking basic mathematics, accounting, economy, and so on at least once a year or once every two years. If they don't pass or they are found to have cheated, not show up, or anything of the sort - then they are automatically fired. The people will need to vote in someone else.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
22 Feb 13
I'm far more concerned about the job security of a Wal-Mart employee than I am an employee of the federal government.
But point out the Republicans and we'll all join in the lashing. It's worked great since 2008.
And don't worry about angering people, Popeye. Wanna see myLotters get upset? Go to the religious section and dare mention that people can be moral without god X's almighty laws or that religious bigotry isn't a divine right. Then you'll witness anger. Politics section anger is a peach by comparison.
I've yet to find out what the dog, music and cooking section anger is like yet.
But it'll happen, I'm sure.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
23 Feb 13
Even if they raised minimum wage to $9/hr or whatever number they are using now, you can't possibly believe that Walmart can't afford it. I am not saying the national minimum wage should be $9/hr just that some of the huge companies complaining about it can easily afford to pay it and still make a very nice profit. Walmart is a back and forth topic though. They could afford to treat employees better. Most of the employees I talked to, when I was job searching a couple years ago, complain about not getting paid enough to make ends meet for bills and more and having to get on public assistance just to make sure they can eat. I wouldn't want a full-time job where I need to be on some type of assistance to make ends meet personally. Minimum wage should have kept up with inflation. That is a fact. Prices go up with inflation but people's paychecks not going up with inflation means they have less purchasing power and less ability to buy as much.
Ah... the religious section. Yes, it is a lot easier to make people mad there. It is hard to say or just state something against a certain religion or just about faith without someone telling you that you need to follow their god in order to have morals or go to heaven or be saved or have a good life, etc.
I post there when I am bored and want to argue with people. lol.
Unless someone is interested in actually discussing things there in which I will more than happily discuss things with them.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Feb 13
"Even if they raised minimum wage to $9/hr or whatever number they are using now, you can't possibly believe that Walmart can't afford it."
Can they afford it? Yes. Will they pay for it? Not if the labor isn't worth it. They're a retail store, so the big people who make these decisions have to decide if a $9/hour employee equals more than $9 in revenue. I've been to enough Walmarts to tell you that most employees who work there pass the pulse test and that's about it. Perhaps you've noticed that many Walmarts have started replacing human operated checkout aisle with self checkouts with 1 employee supervising 4 or more at a time. That's because they realized that the cost of purchasing, installing, and maintaining those machines was a better value than a paid employee at each register. Raise minimum wage again and you'll see more automation because the machine's costs aren't increasing with minimum wage.
"Minimum wage should have kept up with inflation. That is a fact."
No. That's your opinion. Please don't state your opinions as fact. People are paid based on the value of their skills and experience in the free market. Artificially assigning people with no skills or experience a value is what minimum wage does. That's why even employers who could theoretically afford to pay minimum wage increases won't because paying the same person more money with a minimum wage increase doesn't increase productivity.
Only 20% of minimum wage earners are full time. The majority are teens and early 20's. These are people without the skills and experience to command higher wages. At my last job I supervised 16 minimum wage employees. All of them were under 24 and all of them were in school or college and living with their parents. The job was just for spending money, not to pay rent or utilities. Less than half of them still work there and, of those who still do, only 2 of them have stayed at the same minimum wage position while the others have been promoted. Anyone who stays at a minimum wage job for longer than a few years is either content with that wage and position, or doing something wrong that is keeping them at that level.
Wages in general don't even go up at the same pace as inflation so I don't see why minimum wage would be an exception. I think it's simply a supply and demand issue and there is a much larger supply of workers, skilled and unskilled, than there is demand.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
23 Feb 13
Back in 2007 (I think it was) when Penn & Teller Bullsh1t covered the "Wal-Mart hate" issue, Wal-Mart was paying their employees on average $10/hour.
But to a more general point about Wal-Mart, and other Wal-Mart-like mega-marts:
The reason they're so profitable is that they're able to offer goods for a lot less money than other stores.
In my area--and I'm supremely confident my area is the rule and not the exception--we have a few grocery stores, a few department stores, and a Wal-Mart. Guess which one offers the cheapest prices on most things people need? Target is able to compete. In fact, the stores are only about 200 yards from one another; both stay packed. They operate on similar principles: Offer more to people via one-stop shopping, and offer it for less money.
These big stores still manage to offer a lot of jobs for communities. And that would be true if only it were because of the large stories themselves, but it's not only because of that.
Where you find a Wal-Mart, even a Super Wal-Mart, you're probably also going to find a slew of other shops and restaurants (fast-food and otherwise) set up around this big store. Most of these types of locations, which are mostly franchises at the least, not only pay the minimum wage but exceed it on average (an outlier here being a non-franchise restaurant where a server may only make like $4/hour or so, but with tips of course; or maybe a small sporting good shop, etc).
Wal-Mart, and other stores which bear the same type of criticisms, are usually blamed for not treating their employees well enough.
You're probably right that Wal-Mart could afford to pay people more.
They have, what, 2 million employees?
Okay. Give everyone a $1 bump. And let's say, for the sake of argument, only half of Wal-Mart's employees work 40-hour weeks, so we'll only give it to 1/2.
Now, my math might be wrong here, but for $40 extra per week for 1 million people, that's $40,000,000 per week. Giving a $1 raise to 1 million employees for a 52-week year comes to $2,080,000,000.
That's only a $1 raise for half of Wal-Mart's employees. A bigger raise for every employee? The $1 raise for all 2 million? A $2.50 raise for half? What? (My calculator just said "DAFUQ?")
What do people honestly expect these stores to pay?
If anyone is considering that maybe owners or a big shareholders of a huge corporation should give up some of their profit for taking the risk and being liable every time someone tries to extort money, then that's a valid argument. I suppose. I mean, they can "easily" afford to pay it, after all.
But if you go paying millions of people more money, that adds up to billions of dollars. Who's going to cover those costs?
The consumer.
Wal-Mart stops being Wal-Mart. If bread and milk and socks and deodorant are cheaper elsewhere, people will go elsewhere.
Of course, for government employees, whom already make exponentially more than Wal-Mart employees, benefits to boot, the taxpayer just picks up the bill.
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I have posed a simple question (or as a statement, depending on the context) to people for years and years here at myLot and elsewhere in my personal life.
Could it be that, instead of trying to bring wages UP to this false "living wage" horsedookie people keep talking about, wouldn't it be more feasible to attempt to bring the cost of living DOWN across the board?
It's not about the dollar amount. It's about what that dollar buys you.
FFS, if our government officials are going to do nothing to bring down the cost of living, only things to ensure it keeps rising, then a $5 raise for every employee across the country is only going to help a very limited few, and only for an incredibly limited time.
We might as well spend another $3 trillion in "stimulus" money.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Feb 13
You're right about one thing and one thing only, it's not rocket science.
First off, Obama WANTS higher gas prices. He's made it clear many times that he wants that. He also says that low gas prices are a sign of an economic collapse so keeping them high must be less collapsy. He even appointed an energy secretary that said he wants us to have gas prices as high as Europe.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/14/newt-gingrich/gingrich-said-energy-secretary-advocated-raising-g/
" two very important people that are thwarting this dilemma; John Boehner & Mitch McConnell. These two are the ones that does not see eye to eye with the President (SHOCKER!) While democrats wants higher revenue for closing tax loopholes and support some spending cuts, the republicans wants to insist on tackling deficits with spending cuts alone."
You really should research this garbage before starting threads. Boehner and McConnell RAISED TAXES on the wealthy back in December just to make Obama happy and pass that Fiscal Cliff garbage. It was weak, pathetic, and did nothing to help balance the budget, but they did it, and now left wingers like you, who have no idea what they're talking about, are pretending that THEY are the ones that are unwilling to compromise.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/politics/fiscal-cliff-5-things
That said, Democrats do not support ANY real spending cuts. When morons like Obama talk about spending cuts do you know what they are REALLY saying? They are saying they will decrease the expected INCREASE in spending. That's like saying "I know I'm broke and deep in debt, but while I was going to spend $100 more next week than I did this week, I'm going to cut that to $97, so it's like I just saved $3." This is what prompted Rand Paul to say in his rebuttal that "Only in D.C. could $7 trillion more spending be called a cut"
http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/021313-644253-rand-paul-tea-party-response-to-obama-state-of-the-union.htm?p=full
Now, since we're in agreement that it's not rocket science. I want you to answer me a few questions. How much money will be raised by the tax hikes that democrats want? How much money will be saved by the spending cuts democrats want. Most importantly, what would the budget deficit be, for 2013, if democrats got every tax hike and spending cut they wanted without any republican opposition? Remember, it's just math, not rocket science.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Feb 13
"The republicans should be willing to close the tax cuts for the wealthy."
Most aren't, but as I posted above, Mitch McConnell and John Boehner both caved on that and got enough republicans to vote with them to raise taxes on the wealthy.
"Both parties should stop catering to their lobbyists."
I agree completely. Sadly, I don't think it will every happen and every time a politician like Obama says they'll end it, you know you're dealing with a lying sack of crap.
"I do not agree with the tea party at all."
So you think everyone should have to pay higher taxes?
"They should stop giving themselves pay raises."
I agree. Too bad King Obama just signed an executive order giving them raises.
"None of these politicians - republican, tea party, libertarian, democrat, etc. seem to know what a real budget is"
That's not entirely true. Rand Paul actually cut 20% from his operating budget 2 years in a row. He also proposed a bill early in his term that would cut $500 billion from the deficit in year one. Sadly, the vast majority in the house and senate have absolutely no interest in balancing the budget so his bill was dumped in the trash can without a vote.
Really, you have some great ideas there. The problem is that a lot of this needs to come from congress where no one person has the power to vote for or against more than 1 of 435 congressman and 2 of 100 senators. If I campaign for and get the best people running in my state and district elected, it's still only 3 out of 535 people with absolutely no clout.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
23 Feb 13
It isn't rocket science. It is simple math but people are only looking at one side of the math.
The republicans should be willing to close the tax cuts for the wealthy. The democrats should be willing to discuss actual welfare reform but not to touch elderly SS or medicare.
Both parties should stop catering to their lobbyists. As I've stated before, foreign aid and corporate welfare should be looked at very closely. Does the business need to get government subsidies? What were their numbers before any tax breaks such as business expenses, etc.? And well I just believe we should stop giving money to every darn country in the world since most of them even some of our allies hate us.
I do not agree with the tea party at all. I do think they should be more moderate but their loudest speakers come off as extreme right wing.
They should stop giving themselves pay raises. The people should vote if they get them or not.
They should all budget - a full federal budget from congress/senate/president and then agency budgets and state budgets and so on should be created. None of these politicians - republican, tea party, libertarian, democrat, etc. seem to know what a real budget is or if they do they only want to cater to whomever is paying them more than the American taxpayers.
Then in order to make these bills less scary to either side of the political spectrum, they need to stop adding so much pork to the bills and actually READ the bills before debating them.
It isn't going to magically fix things but it's a start.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
23 Feb 13
I didn't mean raise the taxes but just close tax loopholes. I don't like tax loopholes as it is, but that is just a personal preference. They are there and people would be stupid NOT to take advantage of them as they are offered. I believe closing the loopholes would have generated more revenue than raises taxes. What is the point of raising taxes if you still have a bunch of loopholes to exploit?
Yeah, the lobbyist thing is out of control. I wanted to intern at my state's house and at the end you have to present a bill. I wanted to present one to end lobbying BUT they have top prominent lobbyist come and speak to you and well they aren't as open. I always said if I ran for president (both sides would hate me) I would make lobbying illegal. Morally speaking, I don't believe in saying I am representing people and then getting extra on the side. I find it terribly dishonest. It is going to make it really hard to run for the House in my district when I get to that point but it is not a true victory without being honest and neither side gets that.
So you think everyone should have to pay higher taxes?
That was something that went into consideration when I voted and so my answer is yes. An example, I am supporter of marriage equality and one of the points I bring up is that married people pay higher taxes than single people as most file together which meant more tax revenue for the government. Does the tax code need fixed in my opinion? Yes!
[i]They should stop giving themselves pay raises.
I agree. Too bad King Obama just signed an executive order giving them raises.[/i]
Minus the jab at the president, I believe the pay raise was only for the house and senate not necessarily him or his administration or more. I could be wrong but both the house and senate voted to add in their pay raise or at least seen it hopefully. I wouldn't blame that all on him. He signed it yes but I am sure they debated it or well unanimously decided to add a pay raise into the bill.
Unfortunately that guy you mentioned is 1 out of so many congressmen and senators and there may be a few more like them. To fix my statement, I will say the vast majority of all politicians don't know what a real budget is. I question whether they know what budget means. I hope they do but you know...
Thank you and I know it needs to come from them. I should be surprised that they haven't thought of some of it or more than likely they don't care but I am not. The sad thing is that we really need to get the career politicians out of there but with lobbying, super PACs, smear campaigns and much more it is hard to get an honest American who just wants the country to prosper again into office let alone listened to.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
23 Feb 13
Well first off... lol... you... get angry at someone on the internet saying something? Why do you care? This is the internet. People say all kinds of things. If you do not like what I have to say, ignore me! I ignore EVERYONE who says something I don't like.
Absolutely anyone, that starts attacking me, I'll just laugh at them. Why? Because I don't care! lol
It's just a forum. Don't let other people ruin your day! Seriously girl, you can't let forum poster get you down, or angry, or anything! I'm just saying this for your good, I've already got this down. Don't let other peoples words bother you, especially on the internet. I mean people are 20 times more crazy online, than they would be in real life. Don't get mad about it.
Now to the topic.
If that's not enough, job security for our law enforcement, including National Parks, military defense, FBI agents and prosecutors are on the line. Why? Because of two very important people that are thwarting this dilemma; John Boehner & Mitch McConnell.
Good. Boehner and McConnell are doing exactly what I want them to do. They are fighting against this over spending. I want the over spending stopped. I don't want more money going to these idiots. In fact I want LESS money going to these idiots in government.
It seems as though now that while the House are acting like children, what they don't know or don't care to know is that this country is on the brink, if not now, of a financial collapse. Both sides should put away the bickering, the fighting, and nonsense and get the ball rolling. What say y'all?
I agree completely, and finally Boehner and McConnell are rolling the ball against this over spending that is going to wreck our entire country.
So if you mean stop fighting, as in stop fighting the Republicans from ending this insane over spending going on, I agree.
If you mean stop fighting, as in Republicans simply allow the Democrats to tax and spend until we end up like the Soviet Union, no, I would rather have them fighting and bickering.
See, the whole reason there is fighting and bickering in government, is because there are fundamental differences on what we believe is best for the country.
Sinking us in endless taxes and debt, is the plan we've been on since Obama got in office. We (being the other side of the political spectrum) disagree with that plan. So, we are going to oppose it.
Now if you would like to change your plan to fit ours, so we don't have to fight about it anymore, that's great. But if you think we need to stop fighting for our beliefs so you can screw over the whole country for another 4 years... not so hot on that idea. Think I'll oppose that.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
24 Feb 13
Andy,
Your point would work better if not for one thing.
Both sides aren't necessarily talking about not spending. They have different things they want to spend it on. Please don't believe that your party or her party truly care about not spending.
They just have different ideas on what to spend all the money on. Both sides have talked about spending cuts but to departments and agencies the other doesn't want to cut them on.
It is a fact which you can research that these agencies want to increase on things they want some of which include what their lobbyists are paying for and want to decrease on what they don't want.
Both parties are at fault.
I think we need higher taxes and some spending cuts. Nothing that would cripple our military or our elderly and disabled who can't just go get a job. Nothing that would increase the crime rate either.
Both parties have yet to discuss cutting government funding to corporations but that is because most of them get their extra incentives from the lobbyists.
Cutting foreign aid and corporate welfare is a start. I have yet to hear either side speaking on that point. Other countries need to deal with their own problems. Businesses are only as successful as their owners make them to be and it should rest on their owners. None of our politicians republican or democrat should be paid what they are paid.
Welfare needs to be reformed not gotten rid of. Social security needs to be only for people who need it like people who can't talk or function due to autism or other disabilities. Some people with mental disorders shouldn't be out on the streets or working with other people especially since some meds can increase violence. The tax code needs to be fixed and other things.
They should start with the first two however
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
23 Feb 13
Do you have a problem with our government spending 1.6 trillion dollars a year than they are taking in?
These guys are spending spending and spending. There is no budget been passed for the last 5 years by the Senate and the President. The House passes one about every 2-3 months. The democrats will not even look at one. By law they have to pass a budget. They are breaking the law!
Without the budget, many departments in the government has increased the department cost by 50-500%. They have no limits put on them, so they are just growing them.
Also, if the sequester is so bad, why did Obama present it last year? It was his idea.
Bell, you need to research and think this out a little more than just follow the left's speaking points. Please just research and ponder these things.
As for cuts in medicare, this should be illegal. Medicare has its own money revenue source and should be paying for itself. The sequester should, legally, have nothing to do with this, but the bureaucrats in Washington has let it get inter-weaved with everything, and steal money out of medicare and social security and spend it on other things. They are ponzi-schemes.
As for Obama, he belonged to the Communist party during his college days. His mother and her associates belonged to the communist party. Obama taught Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals while in Chicago. Obama, really does not have the middle class's interest at heart. Alinsky's rules were to make the middle class a poverty class so you can control them. Keep control over them by getting them addicted to government handouts, and then tax ans steal from them when they become to dumb to realize what is going on. Obama is making our country worse, and is covering it with sweet talk and you lefty are buying it.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Feb 13
All you've ever done is state left wing talking points with nothing to back it up Bluebell. If you actually choose to do your own research at some point, I recommend pasting the links here so people can see where you get your information. That's what I did above when you tried to claim that labor statistics were my opinion and not fact.
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@Bluebell18 (636)
• United States
23 Feb 13
Now, since I'm the only left one here, let me give you all some advice.
Just because I'm on the left does not mean I don't do my research. But since you all assume that, maybe you should take a piece of your own advice. You all need to do research and think logically before you all start these conspiracy theories.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
24 Feb 13
"I want to read it but It sure it take so much time for me so better not to."
You'll fit right in here.
@Bluebell18 (636)
• United States
24 Feb 13
Don't worry LoKo, you either have to be a conservative or rich to know what your talking about. I'm neither, obviously.