Creation

HiHopefull90, are we related? How do you understand Genesis 1:1?

Created can also mean to organize. Can any actually create anything when we say create in everyday verbage. No one organizes the matter he/she has into something. I believe the matter in the universe always existed and he only formed it into what we have today.

The bible is very condensed and does not tell every little detail or time yes the earth was already in existence. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Satan was on the earth prior to this war in heaven and the war caused planets to be destroyed and earth did become without form and void. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more. The earth was first given to satan to prepare for mankind and to be it's ruler of humanity he became rebellious and so Christ came to replace him. The earth existed before God made the things on the earth. It was without form and void. We don't know when it began. We know that God says Isa 9:7 - Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. (l) The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. There are some things we cannot understand or know yet we are given a glimpse it is like a surprise God has for us when it is time to reveal everything.

Hi there Hopefull90, greetings. You have just presented an interesting discussion. Allow me to give my point of view on this matter which I personally believed will contributes more to your enlightenment (I hope). First we should understand that "time lapse(s)" is being employed in the Bible. In other words, the next bible verse does not necessarily mean the continuation of the story flow of the previous verse. Take for example Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth". Then the "time lapse" of how many million/billion/ions of years is not revealed before the succeeding verse Gen. 2:2, which described already the condition of the earth, a cause and effect for that matter. But the initial creation of the earth (and all other creation of God for that matter) is beautifully made (Ecc.3:11, please read to verify) and ready for habitation (Isaiah 45:18, please read to verify). This can be verified also by the word "it was very good" (Gen: 1:31, please read to verify) speaking of the first six days of creation. It only proves that God is a creator of beauty, very good and perfect and not of WITHOUT FORM AND VOID or WASTE AND EMPTY. What happened then to the earth as described in Gen,2:2 is the result of a cause and effect. What could it be? The earth WAS or became without form and void because of angelic rebellion (cf. Isaiah 14:12 and Rev. 12:9 please read to verify). As a matter of fact, what is being described after Gen.2:2 is just a renewal of the face of the earth which was destroyed and became waste and empty. Psalms 104:30, "You send forth your Spirit, they are created; and you renew the face of the earth". For then your observation is right, you need only to get all the biblical facts and everything become clearer (I hope)... All the best mangtony.

I would love to know very precisely how it all begin when it was the creation time, but seems like we don't know what exactly happened then. The bible do explain about it but doesn't seem very clear about it.

Sooooooo - Are we to take it this is the only explanation we are accepting?

The earth was without form and was void... but God's Spirit moved upon the face of the waters and God created light and dark and divided one from the other... and "And the evening and the morning were the first day." Granted, there could have been a period of time between "In the beginning..." and the first day, but the Bible isn't specific about it, so we just don't know and there is no way of finding out. How long would satan's angels have lasted under his rule? They're still here and so is he, so I'd guess they would make it for quite some time.

1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day. 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. The first 31 Verses explains the creation Perfectly.....Looks like you stopped reading after the second one

ya that is really great including water and all forms of life on earth,i am amazed