...student loans
By jeanneyvonne
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
Philippines
March 17, 2013 12:49am CST
I guess the news over the suicide of a UP college students is the back story of this discussion. We all know what happened - a girl killed herself cause she cannot pay her tuition because of a new system in place. taking that aside, I guess was quite having a difficulty understanding her position from the experience that I know in running a school.
I had a conversation with a US mylotter and I was informed that the country (like many western countries) offers student loans from the government (and in extension,the taxpayers) and even private lenders. Taking that example, should we adopt that system with consideration to a large possibility of student loan bubble (it's happening in the US right now)? As a parent,would you consider asking for a student loan from a bank?
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@dagami (1158)
• Rome, Italy
17 Mar 13
what happened to the "study now pay later" program of the government? i don't know the story about this student but i know that the UP has a different system of school fees payment. students from lower income brackets pay less, if any. they are even entitled to stipends.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
19 Mar 13
I cannot be certain of UP programs but I do hear t that there are a lot of available options for students attending that university. I guess it would be prudent for someone who graduated there to explain the system. However, it did read some comments that the system (strap) or something is a way for making the university self-sufficient in this expenses and operations.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
20 Mar 13
I think it's still called like that and the policy haven't changed. The only that changed perhaps is considering the country's inflation rate which I assume is also taken into consideration). Numerous comments i read say that it needs reworking and possibly, more accessible from the poor. I have to discuss the concept to a person that I know from UP. I can't say say anything since she might give me a better grasp of the concept.
@dagami (1158)
• Rome, Italy
19 Mar 13
during our days it was called STFAP (i can't remember exactly what T stands for for. the S - Student T_____ Financial Aid Program). All students were required to submit a copy of their parent's ITR. Financial assistance/turition fee discounts were given to those from the families of lower income brackets.
@lrglara (1334)
• Philippines
17 Mar 13
As far as the Philippine's policy for debt is concern, it is not lenient - way too strict. You need to prove you can pay. and we have to admit, not everyone can pay and not everyone also is willing to pay - they're not creditworthy.
i feel for the student. I really do. my sympathies to her.
i would suggest the school to make policies that enables students to loan. students can join the cooperative, that way they can loan for their tuition fees. school can also grant sort of scholarship for students who have an average of let's say 2.0 - dean's list. but for those who are really struggling, they can make a little bit of room for tolerance and let the students make up for that. teachers can let the students have their examinations but would not have their grades released or something like that until they pay.
at least the students know they have responsibility... and take away the fear that when you can't pay, you can't pass.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
19 Mar 13
It’s my policy in life (and preached to me by parents) not to get debt if I am able. I think I could see why.
In the way, the system is structures, you could really see that it is very capitalistic. I am trying to debunk the suggestion you made.
@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
17 Mar 13
Hello jeanne, i don't know if that's gonna work now since it has been tried already buy a company that has something to do with student loans. i believed a scandal came a long the way and such programs never pursued. there's obviously a lot of people now in the US that are drowning in debt because of lack of job opportunities they are forced to look for a job to pay their loans, but if not, they are forced to go home and have their parents pay it for them.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
20 Mar 13
I agree. Some students in the US were thinking of defaulting on their debt this was a campaign that i saw in youtube so it might not be highly reliable). If they do, well, I don't know a single soul who defaulted on debt but I imagine it would look very bad on them.
@cowboyofhell (3063)
• Philippines
17 Mar 13
I guess at this website student loans are offered: http://www.rainingpesos.com.ph/
@bluespygirl (2112)
• Philippines
19 Mar 13
My eldest son just graduated from highschool this march 2013. He will be entering college/university on june as school year starts here in our country. I had been looking for help to help us finace his college to no avail. Scholarship grants goes to students who have good grades only or students with a certain average, sad to say. :( I had been looking for financial aids from politicians and institutions to no avail because of the election period. Can't our children go to college then if the parents have no financial capacity? I mean, why don't our government make educational system at a low cost granting that Dep Ed got the highest in budget? There is a university loan in universities but it is always late or isn't enough.
I would consider a student loan from a bank but I presume there are lots of requirements
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
20 Mar 13
Well,I remember correctly that free elementary and highschool education is stated in our Constitution and college education is not part of that. I geuss this is teh reason why back then, college plans like CAP were so popualr. reminds of what CAP owes me.
Anyway, I don't how much 'low cost' the education fees should be. Private schools tend to have larger tuition fees because they don't get money from the government/tax payer. But I know that all educ institutions have programs with required conditions. I assume that students in this category are handpicked since there is no assurance (even from a loan) that cost of education will be paid back.
@Raine38 (12250)
• United States
17 Mar 13
When I was about to go to college, I have been accepted in 2 exclusive universities and 1 state university. My parents can seek loan to finance my studies but I said, I don't want to graduate college with a loan to my name even before I can even start working. I chose to go to the state university instead where my folks' salaries can afford. Despite other people telling otherwise, that it is better to be a graduate of a private university because they treat the graduates there differently and the quality of education is better. Well, I took all their "advices" with a grain of salt and just studied hard. And I have no regrets. I passed the CPA board exams and I am now about to practice my profession here in the US. Maybe we should be a bit more realistic as well. If we can't afford it, then don't push it. There are other alternatives within our means.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
20 Mar 13
Well, it seems like you made the best decision. But I think that even private and state educational intuitionist have programs regarding this issue. I guess what makes people flock to up is the name. Heck,i even tried and didn't survive.
Aside from moving to less prestigious and possibly more economical school, I guess there are still opportunities as a working student. I know pressure can be hard (I was one) but support and less pressure would be really a great factor for students in these situations.
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
17 Mar 13
I think that student must have really liked her educational course and been doing very well with it. Some of the way through a change in student fees or a educational establishment closing down it very upsetting and worrying for a student. It is awful that the student killed herself because she struggled to pay her tuition fee.
I live in the United Kingdom and I went to university in 1996. My home country's government paid all tuition fees and gave a maintenance grant. In my third year I was able to take out a student loan of 1250 pounds. When I was in my first teaching job I began paying that back. As a parent I would ask for a student loan for my son. He is almost 18 years old and will hopefully be going off to university in the autumn.
Student loans should be available and have very low inter rates. Even better they could be interest free.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
19 Mar 13
Is the student loan applicable to all universities? I assume that the government yours sets a definite budget for tuition fess and loans of students.
@jambi462 (4576)
• United States
17 Mar 13
Student loans are one of the worse traps that we have set up but unfortunately for students going to universities and bigger colleges there really isn't much of a way around them. The worse part is that there really is no way for a student that is working any job that you can get out of high school to be able to afford to pay their way through a bachelor's degree, yet alone a master's or a doctorate's degree. I really don't want to have to take out loans but I feel as though there may not be a way around it.
It definitely has me worried that I'm going to have to take out loans for probably at least seven thousand dollars for the next five years probably more so that way I can become a doctor. I think that college classes are way too expensive and I think that countries everywhere should be putting more money into their education system because doing so would help their country to become a better place. I also think that the cost of education needs to be adjusted because it keeps going up while wages and hours to be able to earn money continue to dwindle as the economy continues to plummet.
I don't think that trying to better yourself and further your education should put you in such a risky financial situation for the rest of your life. College classes at all levels should be affordable enough so that hard working students could be able to pay there way through college and not have to worry about going into a bunch of debt just so they can try and achieve their dreams.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
20 Mar 13
I guess, it's one of those 'damn if don't and damn if you do things'. either don't get the loan or stall your education
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
17 Mar 13
Student loan is indeed a great idea.
However, other countries having this system is not actually helping the student/s or the family due to very high interest.
Student loan may be a great way to eliminate or lower the the percentage of out-of school youth, granting that the interest should not exceed to 5% or even lower.
@Alisatan (190)
• Hefei, China
17 Mar 13
When I am in college, our family can not afford the tuition as well. So I have to take the student loans. Is is such a burden at that time. After my graduation, I am hard working and have paid back the loans now. I think it is not a big deal now. The student as you mentioed is poor, maybe there isn't anyone who can understand her and persuade her that everything will be fine. May god bless her in another world.
@jeanneyvonne (5501)
• Philippines
19 Mar 13
Thta is the ideal situation. i guess some are motivated to learn and work enough for an education. Students loans as a concept might be a good idea but needs some careful thinking and proper implementation. Where did you get your loan?