Controversy and racism at CPAC Convention.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
March 22, 2013 8:17am CST
This years CPAC conference was very entertaining as always, with a lot of controversy, and false accusations abound. One of the more interesting speeches was given by Michele Bachmann who made false claims that the president was living a "lavish" lifestyle at the expense of the US tax payers and even has someone who's job it is to walk the dog. Even Bill O'Reilly attacked her on this claim, and stated that she wouldn't talk to him about her claims. As Bill explained that every president has lived a "lavish" lifestyle while president, and her claims of a paid dog walker were false. When CNN tried to ask her about her comment she refused to answer any questions.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2013/03/21/nr-oreilly-bashes-bachmann.cnn#/video/politics/2013/03/21/nr-oreilly-bashes-bachmann.cnn
However, this is a side show in comparison to what happened at a panel discussion last Friday. During a break out session that was meant to give right wingers ammunition to fight against "the race card". A right winger interrupted the discussion, and said: “I feel like my demographic remains systematically disenfranchised.” Of course his demographic is white southern mans, which Scott Terry, failed to explain how they have been "disenfranchised". He went on to that Africa Americans should thank slave owners for providing them food and shelter. But, Terry wasn't done yet, he went on to say that he feels that we need segregation again. But, he saved the best for last, when asked if he felt that Black should be submissive to white he said “I’d be fine with that.”
What makes this so much worse is the response of the African American moderator of this panel, who release a statement after the convention saying: "I further explained to him the Frederick Douglass Republican Message which he embraced, bought a book, and we left as friends.” Shocking that no one on MyLot thought this was interesting enough to write about, but I what should we expect?
If the republican party wants to include minorities into it's big tent it might want to consider these two prime examples of why people don't vote republican.
http://newsone.com/2288588/cpac-slavery-scott-terry-k-carl-smith/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGfCX9sJqq
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@crossbones27 (49344)
• Mojave, California
23 Mar 13
If they have a tea party sponsored panel called. “Trump The Race Card: Are You Sick And Tired Of Being Called A Racist When You Know You’re Not One?” There might be a problem. I am white and have never been called a racist in my life. Not even by white people lol.
Not saying I am perfect I used to not like gay people because they were gay. Now of course I never was a jerk about it either. I never went gay bashing, or teased them or anything like that. I just chose to stay away from gay people and make fun of them behind their back. Since then I have come to terms that even those actions were wrong and now actually have gay friends. Its a stupid way to live in my opinion to hate some one you don't even know for looking a certain way or being born a certain way. Its called growing as a person. People should try it sometimes. It does wonders for your quality of life. To let go of all that anger you have for no apparent reason.
Its not that hard to figure out if you are a racist. If people feel the need to attend this panel then obviously there is some doubt in their mind. Then they have to attend this panel to find people like them, to let them know there way of thinking is OK. Probably because they have been called a racist to many times. We all know white people are not the only racists. There is African Americans who are racists, Hispanics, Asian, Middle Eastern's, pretty much every race. There is even some racists who are gay people. Maybe all races of racists should attend this panel and they all can nip it in the the bud.
There is also a level of ignorance here. So maybe some of these people aren't truly racist, they just can't comprehend that that there way of thinking is wrong. Its like people saying marriage should only be between a man and women in our society. That gay people can't can't marry. Basically you are saying we are above you, and because you are different you do not get the same rights as us, because we are better than you. At least that is the way I see it.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Mar 13
Or maybe they're just sick of the fact that ANY opposition to Obama is accused of racism. You yourself have played the race card not more than a week ago here on mylot when talking about Obama. That's what this forum was supposed to be about. Dealing with people who immediately accuse Obama's opponents of being racist.
Aside from that, I'm betting you have never worked in predominately black areas. I have and I can tell you that there are a number of people out there who will scream racism as soon as they think it will get them something. One woman, in attempting to get her fines waved, even called a coworker of mine who was half-black, half- puerto rican, a racist. Who did she complain to? The manager, who was black, and was best friends with the person she was accusing of being a racist.
I'm not saying the majority, or even a large minority of black people do this. I'd say once every 2 or 3 months we'd get someone who would accuse an employee of being racist for enforcing the rules.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 Mar 13
But look at what counts as racial undertones now. People are out there screaming that "socialist" is an attack on Obama because he's black. Now anyone with half a brain would realize how stupid that sounds being as almost every socialist country on the planet is a white European country. Even the term "Joe Sixpack" was being called racist when Sarah Palin said it in 2008.
Personally, I think a bigger problem is the racism that people think is good. You know, the kind where you pretend a black person is doing well just because you want to see black people succeed? It's condescending and insulting because it shows that, in the mindset of those people, black people can't really succeed so we have to lower the bar and reward them just for trying. That's why Obama got a Nobel peace prize just for being elected, and why nobody expects him to actually improve the economy. Whenever the economy gets worse more slowly people pretend it's a good thing.
"Only 330,000 new jobless claims last week! That's great because we were expecting 350,000! Yay Obama!"
@crossbones27 (49344)
• Mojave, California
23 Mar 13
Common sense my friend. You can tell people who are genuinely disagree with Obama and people who are just making racial innuendo's. There were many speeches given that had racial undertones at CPAC.
You are right that there is certain people who play the race card to get advantages or get certain things. That's the atmosphere all this nonsense creates because people want to hold other people down for being different or looking different. Every action has a reaction. Many people probably think that is the only way they can get some kind of leg up in this world. Doing it the right way for many of these people just does not work out for the majority of them. So they use shady methods because that is what the system created by not addressing the issue. When people learn that we are all pretty much the same and most of us want the same things then maybe people will stop using these shady tactics to survive.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
22 Mar 13
After being sick with the flu this past week and still feeling quite under the weather, I come back and this is my first political discussion I see. lol.
I almost feel bad for those republicans that aren't anti-minority, anti-gay, anti-women, anti-everyone but older white men. Why? Because they get represented by people like this and other such folk who get shown spewing the most disgustingly backwards poor excuses of human beings. I know there are decent republicans out there. The ones who believe in old old republican values and not the crap that has been being added to the party for well over 30 or 40 years. At this point with the obviously non-advancement in the mindset of these people, those decent republicans are actually ashamed to align themselves with such a party. Some switched to the democrat party and others became independents because it is quite ridiculous how everyone else has moved into the present and many are stuck back in the mindset of apparently slavery, the time before women had rights, and so on. It is rather sad.
No matter how much they do their best to reinvent the party, unless they can get those people, the extreme religious right, and a few others out of the party -- I highly doubt their reinvention efforts.
I was discussing last week with someone if they thought the republican party could fully reach a vast majority of people 18-35 or even up into their 40s and I said 'Not at the rate they are going'.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
22 Mar 13
Most groups of people, political and otherwise have their share of bigots. And if someone believes everything their party, and news outlets say, implies and whatnot about the other party, they will assuredly end up to be a bigot and hater.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
22 Mar 13
Aidalily, the sad part of this, is that his comments are not that uncommon, just not in public. I deal with many right wingers, and I can't tell you how many times I have heard of Obama called the N word, or a Sand N. I challenge anyone on here to be honest, and tell us if you have ever heard someone call the president the N word. What did you do? The vast majority of us would do nothing, just like this crowd did. Why? Because, it isn't like they haven't heard it from their friends, or family, or at work. I remember the day after Obama was elected there was an e-mail sent out at my work about the first N word president. I replied back that it was appropriate language in a business setting, or in any setting for that matter. It has been brought up often at meetings at my employer that I support that N word in office. This attitude is not as uncommon as many on here would like you to believe.
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@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
22 Mar 13
Oh I know it isn't uncommon. They are not going to convince me that it isn't common. I live in a "blue" state and have heard some of the republicans around here talk about how that d--n n----r is in office and much more. I am not at all shocked by this. I've heard from a couple of them that they would've preferred Romney running the country into the ground because at least he was white.
Not all right wingers are like this though as I have a few very good friends in Texas who are not as bad as some of the people I've seen. I just feel bad for the ones who aren't sexist, racist, homophobic, etc. Those ones unfortunately get drowned out by those who speak the loudest even if it is not televised but by how they may speak to co-workers and more.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Mar 13
I don't think anyone's surprised that Michelle Bachmann can stretch the truth like silly putty. That's nothing new. Politifact follows her around just so they have comical material for their website.
Really Debater, nobody even knew about this, so how could anyone post on mylot about it before you? The only coverage of this garbage was ThinkProgress, who flat out lied about what happened claiming that audience members "cheered and applauded" that moron's statements when the exact opposite happened.
As others have said, the guy is a nobody. Nobody had even heard of him before you posted this. He's not a politician. He wasn't a speaker at the event. He was just a moron in the audience who made a fool of himself. My first thought when I saw this video was that the guy might be a plant. As you know left wing organizations have planted people at events numerous times to either demonize the opposition, or promote their own garbage by pretending to be doctors and such.
Either way, if I'd heard about it before this, I wouldn't have posted it because this was one moron in a room of people who disagreed with him. Despite the lie by ThinkProgress that he was cheered and applauded, it's obvious that the opposite happened and people started shouting over him just to shut him up.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
24 Mar 13
Where is the out cry from the Democrats over President Obama being the largest recipant of Oil Money?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html
Political donations are not always about supporting the candidate but rather getting access to the elected offical. If you are a big doner they you can get the politician to listen to you - listen not always agree but you get to voice your side of the argument.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
22 Mar 13
Taskr, Bachmann is a joke, but she is a GOP joke who claims to be a Tea Party member, and received money from both Tea Party, and GOP backers. Again, if no one denounces her connects to these groups than she must be one, correct?
I saw the YouTube video of this last weekend. It has been a week since this happened, and other sites have the video, and the reaction. Do you mean to tell that the right wingers on here don't use the internet?
I wouldn't care if this guy was a plant or not, I would have explained to him that his redneck racist views were not welcome. I would have told the speaker to move on, and let the leaders of CPAC know of his views, and that he needs to be dealt with. The fact that the speaker didn't say anything to him was insane, the fact that the audience didn't shut him up says a lot about them. As I have expressed, right wingers have dealt with people trying to interrupt their events before, and have dealt with them by chanting USA. Why didn't that happen here? Was his comments more accurate than anyone on here will admit?
At the end of the video people so start to discuss his views, and the moderator tries to help move this along. But, the man is allowed to stay even though his views are not welcome in the forum, and he was not asked to leave. I understand we have rights in this country, but when your rights interfere with others than there is a problem. I think this video should be used by the republican party to show what they are up against. These views are very rare in public, but I am sure that we all have heard someone, or received an e-mail that was racist. I wasn't surprised that this guy said the things he did, or acted the way he acted. It was odd to see him do it in public.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
24 Mar 13
Bob, the Supreme Court opened the door for anyone, and everyone to buy every politician they can. Obama had to go up against a man worth hundreds of millions (ironic how he didn't spend a dime of his own money, which should have shown the rest of you how good he thought his chances were) who had access to wall street with billions to give him. Obama had to fight against that, and and sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do to compete. We will see if his policies are dictated by big oil, like Bush was. Right now, it is very questionable when you look at projects like Keystone, which many of you that don't understand oil, which big oil doesn't want to happen, and really won't help US consumers.
I have no idea what this has to do with either subject, but I have no problem answering any of your questions Bob. Of all of the people on here, you always pose intelligent questions.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
22 Mar 13
You hit a homerun with Terry Scott. Who is he? That is the point. You rumble on about a no body who apparently is an idiot. You forgot to mention that the rest the people was appalled at this idiots statements but instead you make it sounds like everyone at CPAC agreed with him. You are smarter than this debater.
This never happens on the left. No. No blacks have said they want to kill all white, or republicans. Nope never happened....i.e. Jamie Foxx, Black Panthers, etc.
You are right no one else cares and apparently you should not have either.
@AidaLily (1450)
• United States
22 Mar 13
The question is were people really appalled and are you sure there weren't many who agreed with him?
I mean this is also one of those things that goes both ways though.
There are people who fully believe all democrats, or black ones anyway, want to kill the white man or republicans. I am sure there are white democrats who have made similar statements about republicans and the whole party gets judged.
Then you have republicans who have made these statements about well pretty much everyone else. Saying they want to kill democrats and well this guy who will probably get featured on some media outlet at some point, who spout all this nonsense and the whole party gets judged.
I also didn't read that as everyone at the CPAC agreed with him considering Debater also wrote that one of the panelists talked to him and spoke more with him about it and I doubt that guy agreed with him or anyone else. I think he was just pointing out what was said. No need to fully pull mountains out of molehills when there doesn't need to be.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
22 Mar 13
Fat, Scott Terry is an idiot who has insane views, and expressed them at a right wing function. I agree that Terry is a nobody, but CPAC made him a somebody, and when the right wingers don't denounce his statements, they make him one of theirs. Why didn't the leaders of CPAC come out and call him what he is: A RACIST? Or does he represent more of the party then they want us to know? These people were appalled, but why didn't then stand up, and shut him up? It is one thing to claim you are appalled, it is another when you do something about it.
This happens on both sides of the isle, and as soon as it does on the left there are two or three post about it. When it happens on the right: Crickets!!!!!!
No, YOU should care about what people who are claiming to be a member of the political party you support are saying. I think this guy is speaking more truth than what you, or other members of your party want to admit. And, the actions of everyone in that room, including the speaker, prove that. The only way to deal up to ignorance, and racism, is to stand up to it, and show people why they are wrong. That is something that this video shows didn't happen. Everyone in that room should be ashamed of themselves!!!!
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 Mar 13
"The question is were people really appalled and are you sure there weren't many who agreed with him?"
Did you WATCH the video? The people were all stunned by this guy's stupidity. I thought it was crystal clear that they all thought he was a complete a$s and several seemed to wonder if they were being punk'd.
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