Update on my grandson's court date

@celticeagle (168369)
Boise, Idaho
March 23, 2013 5:32pm CST
Wednesday and Thursday Josh did all his work at school and was a good kid. When the teacher asked him about it he told her he had court on Friday. Two days out of how many days of school so far this year. Friday was my grandson's court date. After reading his rights he decided to get a lawyer. So the judge told him he could get up to three years of probation and 30 days of juvenile detention. His meeting with the lawyer isn't until the end of next month. I am really disappointed. The teacher wrote a letter about how his work has declined in the last three months so. And about the plastic knife he brought to school in February and threatened her life with it. Also recently he threatened to put a hundred machine guns to her head. Can you imagine hearing this type of thing every day? He bit his mom on the forearm recently because she wasn't fixing his food fast enough. We tried to get him evaluated at the ER but they said it just sounded like a school issue. He is in a specialized class or he probably would have been expelled. The judge did tell him he needed to go to school every day. And I explained to him that met catching the bus. And I also told him that he needed to be good in class because if he wasn't that would just add to his court sentence. I think that this decline in his attitude about school has to do with his dad's lack of interest. His dad saw him on Christmas after eight years of nothing. Josh has since called him a couple of times and ask him to come over or to come get him and his dad just makes excuses. It is pretty pathetic. I'd be angry too! I just thought I would bring any that are interested up-to-date on this whole thing. Your thoughts and opinions are appreciated.
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12 responses
@GardenGerty (160996)
• United States
23 Mar 13
He has anger, but you know, the fact that he could buckle down for two days shows he can control it. However, that is what my niece said about her daughter. It is just a pain all the way around. My niece is 20 now and had a lot of issues all the way through school and finally finished in an alternative classroom, but Josh is a long way away from being able to do that.At his age Katy threw scissors at her teacher and a lot of other things. It almost seems to have done more damage for dad to contact him.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
24 Mar 13
It is not harsh or uncaring at all, Celtic. You love him and if it takes the law to step in and be that wake up call, well it is better now than later.
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Mar 13
I agree. Better now than later.
@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
Yes, he can control it. And this may sound harsh and uncaring but I they throw the book at him! I think he needs a harsh wake-up call. I hope the judge sees that also. I want my grandson to grow up to be a positive part of society. Acting the way he is now, and making that his life is going to end him up in jail or worse. I would rather see him his to some 'time' now and get it out of his system than have him get used to a life like he is leading now.
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@marsha32 (6631)
• United States
24 Mar 13
Being on probation ended up being the best thing that happened to my middle daughter. It scared her straight so to speak. In fact, she was to have 6 months probation but after 3 months the officer let her go saying she was the best behaved child she had ever had on probation in all her 20 years of being a probation officer. It wasn't easy at first though because my daughter rebelled for the first couple of weeks. Marsha
@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
I am glad the probation helped your daughter. I am in hopes that my grandson will be scared straight.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 Mar 13
I think he definitely needs to be evaluated. Maybe the emergency room isn't the right place to do it,but there must be a clinic or something...
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
He definitely does. I would never have taken him to he ER if it hadn't been for the psychologist at the meeting assuring us that the doctor would call ahead and let them know what was going on. The doctor made us look like idiots. I am still very angry about that. And when he goes to the meds doctor next(April 1at now) we are getting a referral to a psychiatrist so we can get an updated evaluation. I think part of this is behavioral and I don't know how to get through to him. I have talked until I am blue in the face and followed the family therapist's ideas as far as my daughter will do. And that is another part of the problem. My daughter's attitude about the whole thing. She is so childish. The other is a medical and it is just a matter of getting the right mixture of meds.
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@artemeis (4194)
• China
24 Mar 13
I have a few concerns which I hope you will look into and hopefully help you get some answers and help for your situation: 1. Urgency Since your last post on your grandson, I believe you need to elevate your timetable in getting a second opinion, evaluations and even counseling for the ENTIRE household on how to care for him and ALL his caretakers. The situation seems to have escalated into a court case and due to his doings, it is obvious something is very wrong at home (his father issue aside). Part of the reason I anticipate here, is that all of you at home are not well in knowledge to administer proper care. I feel you should not be passively waiting for your appointments anymore but take more initiative to arrange for another doctor, look for the support groups around your area, legal counseling for the coming court case and if you can help it STOP WAITING! 2. Looking Out For Triggers I believe there is this need to be aware of and constantly looking out for in this area, as far as managing your grandson's disorder is concern. Like his father's visitation, I think all of you should take the blame for the resulted aggravation. I am sorry but I see that his father should be temporarily banned in the first place especially when he is unaware of his child's special situation. Undoubtedly, he is the biological father but if he is unable to be 100% committed as a father, he will be a liability to your grandson. I understand that one of the basic requirements of treating and caring for such conditions is to avoid, reduce or remove the triggers that could cause him to react adversely or opposite from what he is suppose to. So, I think all of you need to have a talk to the father for what he has done and if he has his child's interest at heart, he should cooperate understandingly. On this note, waiting around may indirectly be a trigger and fuse even. So, you can see that this is related to point 1 above and know why I am asking that you speed up if you can. 3. Try Not To Be Delicate I know that his behavior is excusable and should be tolerated but I think there are times as parents or relatives, we need to step up and be firm for his good. His outburst that led to this legal entanglement is one area where the entire household should show some firm solidarity and address firmly with no tolerance. It is painful but letting it go will bring consequences to him. He may have a medical condition but if we continue tolerating when he has crossed the boundaries then it is definitely not right, love and good treatment. We are just reinforcing the bad elements into him and he will think that the meaner he gets the better for him to get things his way. 4. Recognize The Time To Let Go You may not like this point but I would want you to consider this with a grain of salt. All of us have our own limitations. You must be able to recognize and accept that after exhausting all your options and if your grandson is not responding positively then it is time to release your grip to let the professionals treat him. It would even mean letting him stay in a facility conducive for his recovery. This is probably the reason why I am seeking that the entire household who is involved in looking after him to go for counseling. Letting go isn't giving up and even not about abandoning him. Be prepared for this to arrive on your doorstep and recognize that whatever you are doing is not enough. Just be able to recognize this and be prepared to release your grip (temporarily) for him to rehabilitate in a more conducive and controlled environment. I hope I did not sound insensitive and offending here. I admit I have been long winded and for whatever, let me apologize if I have wronged here.
@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
We tried to get in to see his meds doctor early for a referral to a psychiatrist but he was booked solid. Then next week he goes on vacation. So we don't see him and can't get the referral we need until April 1st. We know what needs to be done but it all takes time. And when we finally do get the referral who knows how long it will be till we can get an appointment. It all takes time. We go to one professional and they advise us to do one thing. We do that and move forward. Then we get told something else and then something else again. And it all takes time. And if something happens on the week end we have to wait until the next week to get it taken care of or to get help. And we call the police when it get unbearable and horrible. All they do is give him a pep talk, slap on the wrist and leave. Only time they will take him to Juvenile Detention is if he killed someone it seems. They don't take it seriously. Let them come live with him awhile. It all takes time.
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
27 Mar 13
I went back to Daily Strength. I love the site. May check out some of these others too. Thank you.
@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
30 Mar 13
My GS would have to do something horrible to get him places in one of these homes you speak of. It's sad they don't have better facilities and that my daughter and I don't have more money where we could place him somewhere for awhile. He really been pretty good this last week which has been Spring Break. We are still working on getting an assessment on him. Some diagnosis. Lot of paperwork. Slow but sure.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
23 Mar 13
You have done as much as you can but he really needs more professional help. He is not connecting all the dots and needs to be reassessed. I think that the medical personnel who have seen him are missing something. I also agree that his father coming into his life only to disappear again has agrravated the situation. It is all very sad and it must be a nightmare for both you and your daughter to deal with. I am so sorry that you have to go through all of this tension and worry
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
23 Mar 13
Yes, he sure does. We are getting a referral to a psychiatrist next time we see his meds doctor. Hopefully we can get a updated evaluation done this Summer, get his meds re-accessed also and all this done during the Summer so he is ready for a good school year next year.
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• United States
23 Mar 13
This is so sad for your family. I hope your grandson will get the help he needs.
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
23 Mar 13
I do too. And now this is just going to be drawn out because he wants a lawyer.
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
I thought we had this 'advocate' in his PSR. The worker changed when Cassie(his first one)went on to another job and left us. Evan has had a marriage break down and so he hasn't been consistant so no real repore there. Sad cause I really had hopes that a man would be of help to him and be this advocate. I am afraid he is going to continue this way until he ends up in jail too. He needs an intense wake up call. We have tried talking to him and he doesn't listen. And his dad is such a disappointment. If we had known(I had my doubts given his past record but Cami want to try)we would never let the man back in. I really think a lot of his behavior is because of his bio dad. We have tried all we can think of and what the professionals involved advise us to do. But nothing is enough or does the trick. We know he knows what he is supposed to do, he just chooses not to. He proved that Wednesday and Thursday at school. Great behavior but only because he knew he had court coming up.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
24 Mar 13
I have absolutely NO valuable input, except to offer prayers and "an ear".....I don't think, unless we are "walking in your shoes" we can really understand the volatility of your situation....BUT I really wished the Professionals would STEP-UP their game! It seems to me, at his young age, really good help could re-mould him along a better path!~ With all the time, effort and love and understanding you have held forth here....I am worried that you will run out of energy, or make yourself ill, from worry and stress. Please, in all this melee, remember to try and take care of YOU!
@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
Thank you for your kind words. They are sweet to hear at this time. I try to stay strong but sometimes this is difficult. I don't know how my daughter keep sane either.
@Blondie2222 (28611)
• United States
24 Mar 13
I'm sorry about what's going on that's pretty rough. I think he needs more juvenile detention the 30 days that's not enough. He could use some psychiatry help as well. Something to get him under control. Boot camp? I don't know I hope they figure something out before he does get to out of hand and does the things he's saying he's going to do. Hopefully their not true though. Good luck
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
30 Mar 13
I agree about the detention. And we are working on getting him diagnosed. He never has been. Just a treatment plan for PSR and such. So this other assessment will be very valuable. Then the teacher will know more how to approach him and so will we. And there may need to be some medication changes. Thank the Gods for those!
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
24 Mar 13
I do hope your grandson can get straightened out w/his thoughts & actions. I know it must be heart-breaking to see him do the things he has done. I know it must break your heart & his mother's.My thoughts & prayers are w/u all.
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
Thank you for your thoughts and prayers. I hope he wises up. Gets scared straight. It is heartbreaking and he is wasting all this time being a nerd when he could have a full and happy life.
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@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
26 Mar 13
It could be. I remember how confused I was when I came to the age of realization, When I was just old enough to know that about my mom and dad not being in my life and why in the world would they just leave me for someone else to raise. The love my grandparents expressed...although probably not realized to them at the time...had a great influence on who I became. Your efforts are not in vain dear friend. They have great meaning even though you may not know it. I often felt like it was something about me..something that made them want to stay away. It took life and learning to see anything different. The greatest lesson I was ever taught was no matter what role they hold..people are people and they all have the potential to really screw up and it can be all their fault in the process. I think he is angry but I also think he is blaming it on himself which makes him even angrier.
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Mar 13
I hadn't thought of him blaming himself in this with him dad. That could very well be. I hope you will read my response above this one. It explains a lot. We have a competency hearing on April 3rd.
@natliegleb (5175)
• India
24 Mar 13
it is great thing and updation is that juvenile detention and more often he need to specialize in some particular things and he need to work it up just before christmas,hope everything pans out well
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
24 Mar 13
What?!
@RitterSport (2451)
• Lippstadt, Germany
24 Mar 13
thank you so much for the update, its heartbreaking what you and your daughter are going through with Josh. He is only 10 years old so thats much too young to see he is wrecking his future if he goes on like he did even hitting and hurting his own mother. Wish I could do something to help you and your daughter......
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@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
30 Mar 13
Thank you. It is horrid. Now he faces court because of the abuse on his mother. And his treatment of the teacher is just awful. I think that it has to do with his bio dad's lack of interest. Poor little guy!
@celticeagle (168369)
• Boise, Idaho
6 Apr 13
But did you have ODD and ADHD and probably bi-polar? That brings with them a lot of anger issues.
• Lippstadt, Germany
5 Apr 13
hmmmm my bio dad also didnt show interest in me but I was not taking it out on my mother and I tried to be as good in school as I could.....
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