Trying to square off obligations by way of monetary gifts

@kalav56 (11464)
India
March 28, 2013 4:37am CST
My personal conviction is that giving unfeeling monetary gifts in return for timely help rendered is a very undesirable thing. Many people have a need based relationship and keep in touch with other friends or relatives when they need something . Sometimes they are forced to take help from others because situation demands it.They think that if some monetary gifts are given this obligation gets squared off. I feel that some sincere expression of good feeling in recognition for such help would be appreciated much more than just gifts which are given with the distinct intention of squaring a transaction. These gifts become meaningless and all sincerity of the help is undermined in this process. I agree that some people are so touched and want to give something in recognition for a timely favor but it is not always the case. What do you think of this ‘Trying to clear oneself of a feeling of obligation by giving monetary gifts’ attitude?
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@allknowing (136069)
• India
28 Mar 13
It depends on how that gift is given. Normally when on receives a favour a gift is given in gratitude and not to square up the favour done. There is a huge difference between gratitude and squaring up a favour.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
28 Mar 13
Exactly! If you read the second last line of the paragraph above you will know that I have meant the same thing.You have understood it the way I meant.
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@allknowing (136069)
• India
28 Mar 13
I have not known anyone so far making it obvious that they have come to square up the obligation. Have you? Yet on the other hand if those who we have helped never show their gratitude then also we feel it. Don't we?
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
28 Mar 13
Well I have and because it was so obvious it also gave rise to ill-feeing between the giver and receiver. 'Gratitude' is too strong a word when we give something out of love or genuine concern because we do not expect anything while rendering timely help.Let us call it a feeling of recognition';we definitely would feel bad allknowing. But, suppose someone just gives me a huge gift and believe that this was equal to some other intangible thing associated with a lot of feeling then I cannot agree.
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@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
29 Mar 13
I think a lot of people really do feel they need to 'square' for help given. a good word in the way of a card or a gift card where they can get what they wish is much nicer. Feeling obligated a lot of times is in the mind of the person and not necessarily the actual case.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
29 Mar 13
A heartfelt recognition would go a longer way than heartless counter gifts.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
1 Apr 13
I agree with what you say; it is probably the tone and tenor that makes the difference.
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@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
31 Mar 13
But a nice note sometimes is so nice to have as a memento to remember.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
29 Mar 13
Giving money is something done out of goodwill and not necessary to square off obligations. Mom has the habit of giving money to anyone that touches her heart. When we went out to buy flower pots the other day she saw the owner's cute baby with her nanny, she quickly dipped her hand in her handbag and gave the baby money to the surprise of the boss, the baby's mother. The nanny then whispered to me 'why she give the baby money as the mother is rich." Well she has been giving monetary gifts without seasons.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
31 Mar 13
I agree; it is not always a case of squaring off obligations but sometimes some people do it.If your mother had given a bar of chocolate or something it would not have looked odd but to give money to a strange kid would look strange indeed!
• Pamplona, Spain
29 Mar 13
Hello kalav, First of all when I read this I had just got up and I thought monetary gifts? Have I ever had them given to me in the sense of squaring off obligations. I can tell you I have walked around the house while I was cleaning up a little first of all I thought no or maybe. Second I have yes I have had money given to me and others things given to me by others to square off what others might have thought of as "obligations" and I can tell you it was not nice either at all. But seeing as I had to learn to live with it and I don´t really want to mention it here as there have been several times this has happened to me and its too personal to write about but to thank you for mentioning this as I have covered it up with layers of I don´t know what so as not to think about it. Its something I should really work on. With time the hurt has subsided much but the intention of the others is still there like a thorn from a rose. Those several times have happened to me at my most vulnerable times in life so I think it hurt more than what it should have done although I am very resilient hurt can get through I am just like any other. Like I mention its way too personal too mention but I can identify totally with what you are saying even if I don´t express it that clearly because its again something very personal to me that is the reason why I never write freely about this kind of feeling. I would rather try to help someone if they need help instead of giving them money but sometimes I feel that if people need money say for food then money for that and other things like a roof over your head and clothes its not that bad. Perhaps its where I come from where money was not given like that instead you had to give them the money in the sense of obligations like work to do round the house that kind of thing. Could also be that perhaps I am the only one that I know that thinks of other people first. Well if I carry on writing about those whom I know it would not really be fair but they would do this kind of thing square things off but not with money but with other things. Way too long to explain that so I have put it the best way I can. Wonderfully profound discussion kalav it certainly got me thinking a lot but hey I am feeling quite positive.xxx
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
18 Apr 13
I wanted to read the response patiently once again after reading it the first time and it got overlooked. I am happy it gave an opportunity to write your heartfelt feelings on the issue and you are feeling positive about it all. I feel I have done something good in starting this discussion because you feel good about it and I feel gratified by your good feelings.[]So,here is the BR for you.
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• Pamplona, Spain
18 Apr 13
Lady Of The Night Flower. - Violet coloured flower embraces compassion and love and expression of what cannot be expressed verbally by most of us.
My response is this flower that I think can say much much more and much much better than what I ever could myself.xxx
Hello kalav. Well it was so profound and it struck that deep in me that I almost wrote a book instead without really wanting to of course. All this has a lot of emotional roots in it as well because you can feel obliged to do certain things for others it would take pages and pages to explain in great depth and neither you or me have that amount of time to read all this either. See where I came from the squaring off obligations one could have with another was carried out mainly like I mentioned in the sense of emotional compensation or everyday things like I will fix your car for you or I will clean the house for you as well. Yes where I came from lets see second time I have said that but if you see it the way I do they used emotional blackmail to square things off so as not to use any proper money "misers". Bit of a strong word but the emotional squaring off to pay other people back is something that ties a knot in you how big the knot gets can depend on each person but its there. Take me they would say when I was small "if you clean the House for me I will give you this in the future" something that never actually materialized most of the time in the sense of money. To put it short they would use an intricate web of emotional stuff that I could write books about lol and in a sense I have inherited this pattern which I am learning to stop doing because I never ever want to do this but I find myself thinking like them sometimes see what I mean? So I hope this helps others too you know because we carry such big tons of these knots inside us that we just do not realize until someone puts the key in the door like you have in this sense and opens it. Of course I know that this goes on all over the world everywhere I have just been seeing a good example of this emotional squaring off obligations with a famous crime case going on here. How amazing we all are at creating this kind of thing instead of creating peace just peace for us all. Guess being at peace is just too easy he he he we have to complicate it much more. Maybe you can express it better than I can in a different discussion. xxx
• India
28 Mar 13
kala let me share my experience, when i was bed ridden for a long time wearing a neck to toe plaster cast in 1986, my friends, relatives gradually stopped visiting me, this was natural of course, but one thing sucked me, a very close friend told me that xyz..were discussing that Bhuwan may become totally invalid and lose his job, he may ask for money, so better not to visit him; just imagine how i felt. Another thing till today i have never taken any obligation from any one, not even my sons, suppose you send a gift to me on some occasion; i will gladly accept it, but i repay in some other form. If some one asks for money as loan, i deny straight.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
28 Mar 13
Professor! I agree with you totally regarding repaying a gift ; friends can give gifts as a token of love and if it suits them to exchange gifts it really is just up to them.It is not wrong at all. Regarding your relatives' and friends' attitude, I myself have personally witnessed such callousness on the part of my father's clients when he became an invalid.When the going was good he was always surrounded by exploiters who sponged on him and these people never paid even a courtesy visit later.
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• India
29 Mar 13
Very right The world is full of such persons, i really hate, but feel helpless.
@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
28 Mar 13
I have often told my children to try to help out their grandparents as much as they can most especially not that the folks do not have a helper at home. Actually, my mother in law has been sick for the past two weeks. And so I tell my two sons to come and visit them and do things that they have to in their house. And I have clearly told them that the help they extend should be out of love and they should not expect anything in return. But sometimes my in laws defy what I teach my kids. Coz they hand them money after.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
28 Mar 13
If they are just used to giving them gifts then it is a natural thing but if they give money in exchange of a genuine help especially immediately, the value diminishes a bit. THey are touched and their way of recognizing is this but sometimes if it is just for the help rendered then it becomes meaningless; if you start monetizing services then it would become very mercenary because no outsider would do it.However, in your case , I believe it is grandparents and they will have genuine feelings for grandkids.
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
28 Mar 13
I hope so. But really, I am not happy that way. I'd rather that they give them gifts or money if it was either my son's birthday or if it was Christmas. I just don't want my kids to grow up thinking that help=money.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
29 Mar 13
It depends. If a monetary gift would help the receiver, I'm sure it would be appreciated in lieu of help rendered. But usually this formality is not expressed within close friends and relatives. I've seen a friend's mom who thinks her friend has good choice in selection of clothes. The mother takes her along when she goes shopping and buys her a small gift as return. I have seen the look on the friend's face and know that she feels humiliated by it. There is no sincerity in it. A neighbour of mine visits her flat for a few days twice every year. Each time she comes, another neighbour and I willingly help her to get things done. When she leaves, she gives us packets of used pencils (she works at an international school abroad) and sometimes chocolates (she feels we've never seen or had chocolates from abroad...though I know these are the cheaper variety....not that expensive chocolates would help. Feels like she is buying us off with the gifts).
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
31 Mar 13
This mother cannot repay her truly for the help in good choice and more so if the friend does not like it , it really is demeaning. Just a simple word of praise/recognition or even a nice ice cream shared with good camraderie would go a long way.
@viju0410 (2286)
• India
28 Mar 13
Hi kalav, I am happy to have few good friends who don't expect anything in return for their timely help given to me. And so far i haven't given them any gifts or other personal favors (other than thankfulness for their timely help). I have seen people who help when needed but keep on doing a publicity about their offered help, which sort is too unappreciable.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
28 Mar 13
Yes VIji! What you say is right and between friends there must only be good feelings; monetary transactions always must be exercised with caution because they can ruin a relationship.
@viju0410 (2286)
• India
29 Mar 13
Hi kalav, Yes, and that can really make our relation complicated especailly if the person is from our own family/relatives. Friends do understand better and we can tell him how much time frame we may take to return their loan.. My husband also has a habit of helping his friends or friend's friends with money if he has something in his pocket. I always used to tell him not to extend such helps which many times were not returned when we are in need of the money. But I think God is great and always find someone to help us to save the situation...so whatever help is given is also returned to us in someway or other.
@roshigo58 (4859)
• Pune, India
31 Mar 13
Hi, Some people try to show gratitude by giving gifts for the help. We feel some obligatory by this because we don't expect anything for our help. But we should not feel bad for the gift. Because the intention of the person giving gift is also genuine.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
31 Mar 13
I see your point; many times it is a token of gratitude but some people also believe that their obligation is squared off by such monetary gifts.It is not that people should feel ever grateful or bounden for small helpful acts but heartfelt recognition should be there.