Who is the God to Christ? Is Jesus a god as Christianty said?
By samar54
@samar54 (2454)
Egypt
March 29, 2013 5:08am CST
Many times I read that Christ peace be upon him is a god , son of God , the second in trinity , I didn't read the trinity in Gospel , I didn't read that Jesus peace be upon him said to his followers : worship me with God . so Who is the God to Christ?
John [12: 49] "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."
Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
7: 11 "how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
21: 7 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
When talking about the miracle satisfy thousands of hungry with five loaves and two fish says: ((and looking up to heaven, and blessed and broke the loaves.))
Why raise Christ consideration to the sky? And who goes and asks if Father united with him ?! Or that the issue is clear that he was calling the creator of heaven and earth to give him the power to achieve the miracle?
John [11:41:42] And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me . And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. "
Why raise Christ consideration to the sky? And those who goes and asks if Father united with him ? Christ do that looked up towards the sky is the act contravenes the deity because this action come to him as human Usually when asked heavenly supply of Allah ! Or that the issue is clear that he was calling the creator of heaven and earth to give him the power to achieve the miracle?
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Mark13: 32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
If the Son is the second person of the Trinity as Christians believe, how Son himself denies knowing the time and date is evidenced by the father?
It is not correct that this is on the one hand his humanity because denials came Jr. never proved flag deadline for the father only Is evidence of the invalidity of the divinity of the Holy Spirit also and not equality between Trinity alleged.
Christ has said repeatedly that the Father is in heaven, and the question that ask for Christians is:
How Christ declares that the Father is in heaven with you are calling the father embodied in it, united with him?
If Christ is God, he declined to refer to another god in heaven.
And if you say that hypostasis son refers to hypostasis father, tell you that this prevents the unit between the alleged Hypostaseis and confirms separation and independence. .
Christ said to Mary Magdalene:
John [20: 17] "go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
If Christ is the image of God on Earth and Father embodied in it, Who is in your opinion that the god who Christ will ascend to Him ?!
John14: 28 "I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1st Corinthians [15: 28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.! )
This showed that Christ will undergo in the end to God, and this in itself is one of the clearest evidence of the non-divinity of Christ because God is not subject to another God .
Matthew [23: 9:10] "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven, Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
Enters in the denial of Christ as well as for being on earth. Has called of Christ himself milestone in the ground for them, and saw that their god in the sky one.
[21John1: 5 1 "And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man."
If Christ declares that God's angels will descend from heaven divine commands and support where is the permission of God the Creator of the angels who came to Christ and united with him??
John [12: 49] "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."
Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
7: 11 "how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
21: 7 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Mark13: 32 "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father."
If the Son is the second person of the Trinity as Christians believe, how Son himself denies knowing the time and date is evidenced by the father?
It is not correct that this is on the one hand his humanity because denials came Jr. never proved flag deadline for the father only
Is evidence of the invalidity of the divinity of the Holy Spirit also and not equality between Trinity alleged.
Christ has said repeatedly that the Father is in heaven, and the question that ask for Christians is:
How Christ declares that the Father is in heaven with you are calling the father embodied in it, united with him?
If Christ is God, declined to refer to another god in heaven.
And if you say that hypostasis son refers to hypostasis father, tell you that this prevents the unit between the alleged Hypostaseis and confirms separation and independence. .
Christ said to Mary Magdalene:
John [20: 17] "go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
If Christ is the image of God on Earth and Father embodied in it, it is my opinion that the god who will ascend to Christ?!
John14: 28 "I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1st Corinthians [15: 28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.! )
This showed that Christ will undergo in the end to God, and this in itself is one of the clearest evidence of the non-divinity of Christ because God is not subject to a
Matthew [23: 9:10] "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven, Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."
Enters in the denial of Christ as well as for being on earth. Has called of Christ himself milestone in the ground for them, and saw that their god in the sky one.
[21John1: 5 1 "And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man."
If Christ declares that God's angels will descend from heaven divine commands and support where is the permission of God , then where is the Creator of the angels who came to Christ and united with him?
Waiting your opinion , if you have evidences prove that what I said is wrong , , please send it , my respect to all .
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12 responses
@alpha9180 (301)
• Malaysia
30 Mar 13
As Christians, our faith is centered on the person and work of Christ. Eternally Christ is the only begotten Son in the Godhead ( John 1:1, 18). In time, He became a genuine human being through incarnation ( John 1:14). He is like us in all respects, yet He is without sin ( Hebrew 4:15 ; 1 John 3:5; 2 Corinthian 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22). Christ is the complete God and perfect man, possessing both the divine nature and the human nature and we believe that the two natures in Christ are preserved distinct and that each nature maintains its distinct qualities without confusion or change and without forming a third, new nature.
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
29 Mar 13
The term "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but it is clear from an accurate reading and understanding of Scripture that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We see evidence of the Holy Trinity in the first chapter of the Bible: "In the beginning God (the Father) created... and the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) was hovering over the waters... And God said (the Word, Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh)..." Genesis 1:1-3.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God."
From this verse it appears that the Word is a separate entity yet at the same time united with and is God.
I have used this analogy before in other discussions, but it's the only thing I can think of that I can compare to the trinity: Identical triplets.
Identical triplets come from one fertilized egg that has split twice, making three separate individuals. The DNA of each is identical to the DNA of the others, but each has different fingerprints. It is the fingerprints of each that distinguishes the one from the others, and it's the same with the Holy Trinity. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all separate beings, but they are also all God and one with the others in their Godliness.
@moneylots87 (521)
• Indonesia
29 Mar 13
@6precious, intresting metaphore, but i fail to see where is or which one is God if it applied to ur metaphore???
So the DNA is the same, but 3 different finger prints?
Apply to trinity concept:
The DNA is same with the God? (Since God is one)
And the 3 finger prints are The Father, The son, and Holy Spirit? (since they are different as the finger prints like you said are different)
So where is God in trinity??? Is that just a title??? I fail to see where is The One True God in ur metaphore about trinity.
It would be great if u could kindly explaine it to me! :)
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
30 Mar 13
samar: The Holy Spirit is mentioned throughout the Bible. Therefore, He cannot be an invention from Nicaea.
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
29 Mar 13
Not all Christians believe in the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. You have already outlined many of the reasons for not believing in a "God in Three Persons".
What distinguishes Christians from Muslims is that Christians believe that Jesus was more than just a prophet and that He was literally the Son of God in much more than the metaphorical sense that all humans are 'children of God'.
The basis for believing that Jesus is not only the Son of God but also the same person as God is the passage in John 10:30: "I and the Father are one." There are also other passages where similar ideas are implied.
There are only three ways in which it is possible to interpret this statement:
1) Jesus was misguided, was under a misapprehension or was deliberately blaspheming (which calls into question everything else that He said or has been said of Him).
2) Jesus was telling the literal truth. That He was, in other words, God.
3) Jesus meant NOT that the person of Jesus and the person of God were identical but that His will, His intentions, His feelings and His emotions - His spirit, in fact (but not His soul) - were fully and completely in accordance with those of God. Even today we often use this mode of expression when two people are in complete agreement with one another. We recognise that each has their own individuality but acknowledge that, on certain matters, they think as one person.
I believe that this last explanation is what Jesus is most likely to have meant by the saying.
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
1 Apr 13
How are Jesus and God one? The context is that the sheep (Jesus' followers) cannot be snatched out of the hand of Jesus (verse 28) or of the Father (verse 29) because God appointed Jesus to shepherd (verse 14) the sheep.
We are all to be one, that is united in purpose.
John 17:11 King James Version (KJV) 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
1 Apr 13
We also are one with god and Jesus.
John 17:21 King James Version (KJV) 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
29 Mar 13
Jesus Christ two natures. Human nature and divine nature. To understand the knowledge and wisdom the life and gospels of Jesus Christ, must understand His true nature or His true multidimensional level of consciousness. And, thus Jesus Christ is really God Himself in human flesh as same as we are humans. Jesus was not part of the creations by God just like as we humans and other part of God's creations. Jesus Christ was already present or existing before the beginning of creations. Because Jesus Christ is really God. God was made become flesh as same us humans thru the name of man of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. The consciousness of literally like us humans and the consciousness literally in spiritually divine because Jesus Christ is God the one only true God.
John 1:1-5 (NIV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
What or who is that Word in the beginning? The very first prophetic gospel or known as the oracle of PROTOEVANGELIUM (Genesis 3:15) . . . . http://biblescripture.net/First.html
Genesis 3:15 (NIV)
15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring[a] and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
29 Mar 13
Why you said son of humans? That is not the right term.
The term is not son of humans or men, the right term in the Bible is the Son of Man. You have to take note that when reading the Bible. From the Old Testaments to New Testaments. The Son of Man (which is Jesus Christ fulfillment in NT) is one of the symbolic nature as part of the Messianic prophecies of the Old Testaments.
- What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of Man? . . . http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Son-of-Man.html
- Why Is Jesus Called "Son of Man"? . . . http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/ask-pastor-john/why-is-jesus-called-son-of-man
Trinity in Genesis.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, according to Our likeness"
Trinity Proof Texts: Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa 6:8
http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-genesis1-26.htm
In Genesis The Son of God or God the Son of the Holy Trinity is not yet made as man or human being in flesh, Son of God is still in divine spirit. Prophesied in the Old Testament as Son of Man, fulfilled in the News Testament with the named Jesus Christ as human form. A human named Jesus Christ is both Son of God and Son of Man because Jesus Christ is God. Only a God can manifest or intervene in such a mysterious ways.
As we are only humans with limited capacities to understand these divine mysteries. Because we are not God. And, only God knows. That's why Jesus Christ said (John 146) Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
@moneylots87 (521)
• Indonesia
29 Mar 13
@Gjbaigar, i know we are limited, to understanding what God is. So there will be no answer, right?
But why after God revealed so much about His divine Nature as God in Old Testament like : Numbers 23:19 (God is not a man or son of man), Hosea 11:9 (God not a man), 1 Timothy 6:16 (God immortal, and unseen)
Why then He confused us with being a 'human'??? So do you think its still okay to worshipping a 'god' in his human form? (after we already read that God in Old Testament said He is not human or son of man, and he is immortal and unseen)
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
29 Mar 13
Will you convert to Christianity if someone proves you that Jesus was God ? 
Can`t you live your life knowing that there are other people who believe Jesus was God and they ignore your prophet ? Look around you in your country and ask yourself why there is so much hate against Christians ? Watch the execution of a Christian.Look him in the eye. That is the best proof that Jesus was God and what is written in the Bible is true.
Can`t you live your life knowing that there are other people who believe Jesus was God and they ignore your prophet ? Look around you in your country and ask yourself why there is so much hate against Christians ? Watch the execution of a Christian.Look him in the eye. That is the best proof that Jesus was God and what is written in the Bible is true.@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
29 Mar 13
I don`t understand why people have a problem with that. The Bible is very simple, God has sent his wisdom into the world in the form of Jesus : "And the Word (Logos or Wisdom) became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."
So yes, in a way Jesus was talking to Himself, but he was not talking for Himself but for the rest of us to hear.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
29 Mar 13
I respect all of you , when I said to you what I know , that is because I see that is my duty to all human .
If you did that , sure I will do.
I know that , although the bible mention to Muhammad .
We didn't hate anyone , please don't gave your ear to the western media .
"Watch the execution of a Christian ."
do you think that the pictures which we see is realy to Jesus ?
on the cross or any pictures?
it is pictures paint it some persons .
did you read all my discussion ?
Now , can I ask you , Who said those words:
" And those eternal life to worship you , the only true God "
@Hopefull90 (921)
• United States
29 Mar 13
I believe simply that Christ is God the Son. All three work so closely that it is hard to know who did what for sure except that the Son took on humanity. I believe then that Jesus could certainly say that his father was greater than he during that time. During the time Jesus was here the work of each is more distinct. IT is hard to understand just raised Jesus because I have read where Jesus had the power to raise himself but yet in other reading it says that God raised him and other times an angel came and raised him. I don't think an angel could actually raise Jesus through himself so that thought I crossed off my list of who actually raised Jesus. I actually gave you a plus on this because of the time and effort you put into it.
@samar54 (2454)
• Egypt
29 Mar 13
Welcome Hopefull to my discussion
"IT is hard to understand just raised Jesus because I have read where Jesus had the power to raise himself "
God raised him , may be by Angels , When he come down before the doomsday , he will do that by 2 angels , he will put a hand on one of every angel .
@Hopefull90 (921)
• United States
29 Mar 13
I have never read about the doomsday event. Is that in the Quran?
@juniorance (250)
• India
29 Mar 13
According to Jesus PBUH God is the Father in Heaven, the Almighty. As you said Jesus PBUH never said to his followers to worship him or he is god but to worship the Father in the Heaven. So clearly He was not God but a messenger of God who did wonders and miracles with the help of God
@IntrovertShy (2780)
• Marikina, Philippines
11 Apr 13
I read and understood all of it. Does it mean that Lord Jesus Christ is not literally God? He is only human being? I have read some testimony from NDE and OBE experiences and some experts who studied NDE and OBE said that it was not literally interpreted that Lord Jesus Christ is a God but, he is God within himself.
@natliegleb (5175)
• India
30 Mar 13
i am not very sure about that probably if one read the intricate parts of bible,we would be able to figure it out
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
30 Mar 13
Many religions have made this difficult to understand, when it is simple.
Jesus is a son of God. We all all spiritual sons and daughter of our Heavenly Father. Jesus was foreordained to come to the earth and be our savior. He was given, by our Heavenly Father the authority and power to be the Savior.
The angels are also our spiritual brothers and sisters who either lived before us, or are those waiting to be born yet on earth. Many of these are very righteous, i.e. such as Jeremiah, when God told him the He know Jeremiah before the foundations of the Earth, i.e. before the earth was created. The angels comforted him and uplift him as friends and fellow servants in the work of the Lord.
Jesus, the Holy Spirit work with God the Father in unison. The Father have given each special authority and power to be as God him, and do things for him. Yet they are 3 distinct personages.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
30 Mar 13
Our Father has given authority to Jesus to be a God, too. If you think of God as an office in the priesthood like Priest, High Priest, etc, Father has given Jesus the power of God. Which he, as our brother, if we can over come evil, repent, grace of God, etc, we may one day be able to recieve such authority, too. Father loves us and want us to become like him, since he has perfect happiness and joy, he wants to share that with us.
@moneylots87 (521)
• Indonesia
30 Mar 13
So yes I agree just The Father is the only God. Since God must be "Only One" and if we make Jesus as God too, or lesser God and make him equeal to The only God, isn't that would make him as another God??? Since u said they are have different personage too.
@NapadKlonova (23)
• Croatia (Hrvatska)
30 Mar 13
There are no scientific evidence for that kind of claim. We can't be 100 % sure if he was a GOD or not.
Jesus Christ was a historic person - that's a fact.
He did had a small sect of student which will develop new religion through times - that's a fact.
In that ancient Roman times there was a slavery which was pretty normal for a time, and he was the first one who said that ALL men are equal because they are created by GOD.
If they are all equal then no one should be a slave, that's why slaves adopted Christianity.
Now this are all histrocial fact. Was Christ a son of God? Who knows. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't.
