"Oh my Michael still out of wo rk.?"

@Hatley (163776)
Garden Grove, California
April 4, 2013 2:22pm CST
My best friend's son is now starting his second year out of work and its really getting to him. I feel bad for both of them as my friend Nelda cannot retire and she is in her seventies until he gets some sort of job.The problem io he went to a special school School to learn how to do movie trailers for the movie industry in Burbank and Holly wood too. He had a good job making the trailers until the com any he was working for had to lay off people and since he was one of the newer people he got the pink slip. He has sent out resumes got interviews but no openings now and he tried the on call bit and they are not hiring either. He has a large payment each month to the school as it cost them thirty thousand dollars for the schooling. now he is hard put to make those payments. He has been loathe to take much less paying jobs as they would not pay enough to help him pay the monthly payment on the school. Your take fellow my lotters. I would love to be able to give them some suggestions of any sort.he used to work in the computer industry but his mom thinks he has been out of that too long.I do think he should still make a stab at that as I do not think the knowledge he has would not be up to snuff as he was really good at it. My own son had to take a lesser paying job but he at least is now working full time at fifteen dollars and hour., any suggestions might helpothem thanks
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@BarBaraPrz (47274)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
4 Apr 13
Some say it's easier to get a job when you already have one. I don't know about that, but I would think a job paying something would be better than no job paying nothing.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 13
hi BarBara That is what I thought too but still he has to pay those payments and if the job does not cover that m ch he is still in trouble ,I really do not know what to tell them . Now if he can get back in the computer industry he will make better wages but they think he has been out too long and really I do not think so.
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@BarBaraPrz (47274)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
5 Apr 13
He can arrange with whoever it is he owes to pay less until he gets a better paying job. I'm sure they'd like to see some payment rather than none.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Apr 13
hi BarbaraPrz I will suggest to Nelda thatthey ask to have the payments lowered but he really as to look for something to do for right now til the movie industry opens up jobs.
@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
5 Apr 13
I think that some people have some very strange ideas about work and working. If he has been out of work this long he should take whatever job he can get at this point for several reasons. With a long stretch of not working on his resume it could really hurt him when he does apply for that job that he really wants. He is only hurting himself and his future opportunities. And when he does get the opportunity to get a good job in the area he wants to be in the interviewer will think that working at McD's and having work much more important than the questions that will arise from him not working during that time. And by working at whatever he can get he can at least pay partial payments or whatever until he gets better hours, better pay, etc.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
thanks CelticEagle I was thinking the same things as if he has some current work when he does get another chance at working in Hollywood it would lookja lot better if he had had some jobs listed that he worked at. I know hes so disappointed that the cannot do what he trained for but right now He must compromise and take whatever io offered to him as a job right now as my own son said is a job so grab it and hang onto it for now.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
hi his dad just came into a goodly sum of va pay for being in desert storm so he has helped Mike on his tuition and his mom does what she can but he also works on his friends cars and they pay him for that but he really needs to consider taking something else anything he can get. that is what my own son did as even though it does not pay as well as computer programming it is money and my son said its a job mom and a job now is like gold so I took it. He seems to really please his boss too so he will probably be getting a raise, Mike is so determinedhe wants back in making trailers and really they tell him no opening for now at all.so he must look elsewhere.
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@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
5 Apr 13
I don't know how people can without work for so long anyway. I have never had trouble finding work. And how does he live?
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@artemeis (4194)
• China
5 Apr 13
Short of getting what he is familiar with and his field where he has been unsuccessful in securing a job, I would think the best option would be to consider blue collar jobs like odd job laborers, construction, carpentry, cabinet making or interior decorator. If he is good with schoolwork, then he might consider giving tuition or service attendants in gas stations, Starbucks, Burger King or cybercafe. I understand that there is a demand for cleaners in your country and if he is not mindful of getting his hands dirty. Times are quite tough and I do hope that he will be able to find a job soon.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Apr 13
something did away with my comment. anyway my son got two times jobs by networking with old friends on the site Facebook. MIke has a Facebook account so why not network with old friends and get some help finding a job that way?
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
hi arteis I just wish he would concede he cannot get back into hollywood for a while so he will look for other types of jobs. He does know computers and though hes been out of that for awhile it would not hurt to look for those kinds of jo s as to me he needs to consider any job will give him some money and that will be better than just being without any kind of work. my son had to do that wo and he is doing okay.Here in California we have the second largest jobless number thats nothing to be proud of either.
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@artemeis (4194)
• China
6 Apr 13
Convincing people is never easy especially when they do not see things the same way. It could be self denial, ego, cannot accept reality or unable to evolve but if he does not see the point then he will have to learn the harsh way where he may face depleted savings and financial dire. Let's hope he will come round to his sense and accept the reality.
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@allknowing (136082)
• India
5 Apr 13
Sticking to just one line and that too a line that has few openings is a risky thing to do. One should be open to accepting any job that is available while keeping an eye open for the job of their choice. Beggars are no choosers in this era where there is more 'demand' than 'supply'.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
all knowing that is just what I tried to tell his mom as any job right now is going to bring in some money and help them to pay the bills a lot easier.He is trained for a specialty but for now he needs something that will pay real money and later if the movie industry opens up there will be jobs for movie trailers experts and he can transfer to that job.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
yes i did bu t will check again. I do niotkniow what you ae getting atl.
@allknowing (136082)
• India
5 Apr 13
You have still not checked your box here? http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2760379.aspx?p=2
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
5 Apr 13
Is Micheal only focusing in finding jobs related to what he has learned? Coz really, it might be difficult if that is the case. Why not suggest to him to be more open to a lot of different areas of work so that t could give him a bigger chance of having a job.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
hio jenny thats what I told his mom bu t he is sos set on ding what he w as trained to do an this is just notr wo rking right now.He need to be open to otherjobs and take something for now so costly to live in Southern California.For now he should take any thing he can get so he can help his momn as its costly living here in California.
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
5 Apr 13
So that's it! No wonder why he has not had any job for the past two years. he should realize that the job that he was trained to do is not the kind of job that is in demand. He really should consider doing some other jobs that he should learn to do and eventually love. It is better than not having at all, considering that he needs to pay his college tuition of $30,000.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
thats it Jenny he does know co mutesr so I think he shou ld try there even if he been away for awhile as knowledge is still his surely He has to take something else that he still knows how to do. YM y own son took a pay cut just to get the job and his boss really likes him too. I thonk he will be getting a raise soon. Mike just has to now take something else. the future may change but for now any job will bring in needed money.
@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
12 Apr 13
I know it's hard to get a job and especially in a special field. I remember when my cousin was working for Paramount and she became the president of casting there. There was an argument over the move TITANIC. She wanted her name on the credits for casting the movie and they told her no. The movie was not that great, but she worked real hard for them. She eventually quit there and went on her own. She now does casting for many movies. But it is not easy getting into that business. I guess for her it was easier because she had a real high position there. Her daughter is trying to get a job in the movie business. I think she wants to get into writing and producing. But again, that is a hard field and like anything else, it's who you know.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Apr 13
Mike has made a l ot of friends ikn Burbank and Hollywood so I told Nelda his mom he should do some networkikng as ikt might just payh off as thats how my son got the job he has and itsat a decent wage too.
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@inertia4 (27960)
• United States
24 Apr 13
Thats what it comes down to. Networking and who you know. And if he is a personable person, then he will have an easy time of getting a job. And also talent, and I am sure he has that.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
5 Apr 13
i know its kind of touchy when you are giving advice about a job, but some how you need to make her realise her son needs to try no matter what job it is as these days if he can get any kind of job, every little bit helps something is always better then nothing i say if he gets it and gets let go later, at least he tried. sitting at home worrying gets to be a habit. if he looses another job he will still be ahead, as he didnt have one when he started. lol. so whats lost?
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
hi bunnyhbon thats what I tried to tell his mom but she keeps backing him up but right now he needs to work and contribute to the family cost of living.Any job is better than no job and often a simple job done well will lead to a better one and in time the recession will end and jobs will open up.the movie industry will then want to hire many new workers again.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
4 Apr 13
At this stage he should take nay job he can to get an employment record. We all know that it is easier to be employed if you are already in a job as it shows that you are worthy of being employed. Tell him to take any job as half a loaf is better than none
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
hi cynthiann why is it we women will take any job we can get yet a man will hold out for the thing he's trained for while we just do the best we can. I aM just thinking he has to take whatever he can get in order to get back to Hollywood.For now even a Job repairing electronic parts would be paying real money.My son does that for fifteen an hour not great pay but it is pay.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
It is hard finding work anywhere at this point. I have a Bachelor's degree and two Master's degrees and I still cannot find work. I have been trying hard to make extra money on here and have been doing a lot of research on how to start an online business so I can help supplement our income. I hope things will get better for your best friend and that your son will get a better paying job. I think your friend's son should find a job in any field so he can make money.
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@Cutie18f (9551)
• Philippines
5 Apr 13
I think the son has to be more practical these days. Since times are hard, he must try his luck with lesser paying jobs than expected. Anything is better than nothing. He will be able to find work if he opens his mind and look some more.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
cutie thats what I think too as right now they do need more money and he does need to help his mom too. He keeps saying he cabnnot afford to dc this or that yet my son is working now f ull time for fifteen dollars an hour and while not top wages is good money. more than he has right now f or sur e.
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@JohnRok1 (2051)
4 Apr 13
I'd like to say that unless the education he received gets him a job it wasn't fit for purpose and therefore the school have forfeited the right to be paid. It mightn't wash in the courts though. If he's kept the original adverts for the course and they promised jobs, he might have a legal case for not paying any more.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 13
oj John he hnad a job for two years and was doing w ell then the movie industry started cutting back like the other companies here in the US now he keeps sending out resumes and going to interviews but nothing is there right now.He is going to h ave to compromise and take something else til the movie industry opens up again.,he is an ace at repairing cars and he has made som e money doing this for his friends,I wish he would ask at garages fopr a mecbnics job for now.
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• United States
4 Apr 13
Hi Hatley. I think he needs to do whatever it is he needs to do to get some money to pay the bills. It's not right that his elderly mother is having to work so hard so they don't go under. My suggestion is to get 2 moderately full time jobs. Look at Ricki here on Mylot. She has two part time jobs and she also works for herself walking dogs at $15 an hour. She also picks up dog poop out if people's yards for money. Sometimes you just have to think outside of the box. He might not be able to make all he did when he was working, but it's better than a kick in the butt. I almost think he isn't willing to step down and become a regular laborer even if its flipping burgers. My dad worked 2 jobs all my growing up life until he finally landed the job that took us out of poverty. Here are my suggestions: Make looking for a job his job now. He should spend 4 to 5 hours a day actively looking for work While out of work he should be getting some kind of job while he's looking for a job. Most people who have families will flip burgers or do child are while they are looking for a real job they are trained for. I think he should cut back on every non-necessity if he is not working and his mother is footing the bill. He could even clean houses and do yard work for pay when he isn't doing anything. I see how Ricki works and works and works on her own and I see why she has thousands in the bank in a bad economy. She isn't afraid to get out there and ask for jobs. It just makes me sad that is mom is working so hard at her age.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 13
hi PWQ yes I am concerned for Nelda as what wou ld happen if she got sick with him not having a job. He has done car repair for his friends and made some money that way,.H e is brilliant when it comes to any sort of car repair and I wonder if he thought of doing that for now as I know he wants back in Hollywood but right now they tell him its just not happening .He had the training.Nelda is separated from her husband He lives on Northern C alifornia He has got some va payments from being in Desert S torm.. so dad helped Mike to pay some of the payments on Mikes school tuition/. I just wish he might think about working as a car mechanist as I hear they make really good money.
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@HONEYPALS (270)
• Nairobi, Kenya
7 Apr 13
What a sand story...a lot of these sand stories these days...unemployment rate all over the world is too high. Answer? Self employment,..Shoot commercials or something like that!!!...Voala...and he will soon be an employer not an employee!! !!
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Apr 13
wow honeypals that is a great idea and I will relay it to him.. He does have a camera. Anyway he has to do something soon as he is reallyhgetting depressed and ik he can make himself a job as self employed that would be great.
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@emily7339 (1337)
• Malaysia
5 Apr 13
Sorry to hear that. Very sad after spending so much money on her son's education and can't secure a job. Times are bad, may be just work any job that comes by for the moment and meanwhile source for the his job preference. He also team up someone he trust to start his own business like teaching seminar of computer classes, repair and maitenance of computer etc. He could do this on part time basis until his business well establish.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
hi Emily Yes he needs to use some ingenuity and think up something using what skills he has and maybe make his own job. but if thaty does not happen he needs to take whatever job he is offered and go from there as he needs to be helping his m om too.later things l.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
5 Apr 13
It seems to me that as an adult, he should be doing whatever it takes to support himself and stop relying on his mother. If that means taking on a lesser paying job for now then so be it. At least he has an income. The loans ...not sure how that works but it seems they would have to work with him on that. Like someone above mentioned, he needs to maybe think outside of the box. There are many ways to earn money and survive. His mom deserves a break at this point in her life but then again, she too has to step up and stop catering to him. It's one thing to help him out here and there but to support her full grown son simply because he refuses to take a job which he considers beneath him is crap. Being content with his 70 yr old mom supporting him should feel beneath him. The way I see it, they both need to make changes in their ways and thinking if things are going to get any better for them.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
8 Apr 13
I hope they figure it out, Hatley. How would he survive if something were to happen to her?
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
10 Apr 13
hi Sid i got an email today that Michael has an interview slated in Hollywood doing the kind of work hes trained for so we all three are really hoping he gets it so he will not feel so depressed.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Apr 13
hi sid yes you have said what I have thought as he now has to come to terms with not getting back in to the movie industry tll things pick up for that industry. He knows computers and he knows electronic repair and car repair so he can start in those fields if he w ill just look., I feel so bad for them both as they ate really good people.Mike does do odd jobs around the mobile home park where they live and gets paid for that.
• United States
4 Apr 13
The loans should be able to deferred, put into forbearance or adjusted to take into account his income. If he hasn't made an attempt to do that, he is being extremely foolish. As for refusing to try for a lesser paying position... Well, if he really doesn't want to be depending on his 70-something mother, he would try to get one of those positions and let the poor woman retire if that's what she wishes to do. There are jobs in other parts of the country. He should try looking in places other than California for work. Any major metropolitan area is likely to have companies that could use his skills. Another option is to look at being an IT guy for a smaller college; his computer skills are too rusty to work in the industry, but they are likely good enough to work on a college campus. I've seen people move into such positions from far less likely fields.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 13
hbi wilson I don't thinkthat they know the pay ments co uld be deferred so I will t ell my friend Nelda. I think he could still get a job in the computer industry as he had not tried that at least he should try. My own son was out of work for a long time but he had friends that got him into the company he works for now at fifteen dollars n ut he was sick of being out of work and though he was used to making thirty dollars an hour he was sick of not having a job so he now works full time at the same job and he is happy just to be working again. I do hope Michael can find something he can do at a good wage again. . s
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• Pamplona, Spain
11 Apr 13
Hello Hatley, In other places you can get to pay less if you can arrange it with them. Its hard to do that kind of thing here as well you either pay up or else at the moment. Meantime maybe he could take on just any job even if its one day here and another there I have heard of that kind of employment over there before. You work a few days and then rest and then work another few days something like that. I know employment is going to get pretty tough over there as well more than what it is now and that is bad enough. Here we are swamped the older you are you have a very bad chance of getting anything like work. Very bad also for those who are under 18 they do not want to give them a chance either. Anyway hope Nelda can retire soon and he can find a really good job.xxx
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Apr 13
hi I do think since hes worked in computers he should go back there and look for work as surely he still has much knowledge yet on fixing computers and repairing them . know his love is in Hollyhood but the openings are scarce.
• Pamplona, Spain
12 Apr 13
Me again Hatley, I know, well knew someone that is brilliant in computers she taught me so much and is and was a very good teacher. She has had to take to selling Laser printers instead which is such a shame as she would make such a really great teacher but I donĀ“t think she realizes it herself. What a waste of talent. She is so talented she does not have a master or anything like that it comes to her naturally. I have missed her a lot when the computer has gone wrong and all she taught me has stayed in my head. I appreciated it so much the tips she gave me that I wrote them all down.xxx
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• China
7 Apr 13
I feel for them two very much.Sadly,Your friend's son was made redundant after spending so much on that special school.Nowadays,It is hard to get a job,not to speak of a well-paid job.I think it is better for him to take a lesser paying job for the time being than out of work.In addition,now that there is little prospect of the job as making the trailers ,he might as well apply for a job in computer industry,which is in his line.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Apr 13
hi chang yes he cannot wait any longer as he needs to patch the hole in his resume and work at whatever he can get maybe in computers field or electronic repair as my son is doing that and is making fifteen dollars an hour where he was once made thirty as a computer programmer but there were no openings in programming so he took this job.Now Mike needs to apply for other jobs in the fields he is familiar with..
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
14 Apr 13
hi his m m is getting really upset with him now as he will go help his dad first then do the interviews as she says he needs to get his priorities in order job search first then help dad not the other way around
• China
11 Apr 13
It is better for Mike to be practical.He is by no means a lone one losing job.Global recession has thrown so many people out of work.
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@telmesh (1793)
5 Apr 13
Hi Hatley I really like the way you want to help your friend by encouraging her son back into work. Unfortunately after being out of work for so long depression sets in and people find it difficult to see that their are opportunities for the people that make an effort. This guy probably needs to get his head together and take low paid jobs in his area of expertise as at least his abilities will be seen. Nobody can see his work if he aint working.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Apr 13
hi telmesh I have been friends with his mom and him for over twenty years and I worry about them both,. What would happen if she gets sick and is out of work? so he needs to consider taking anything that he might be able to do for now a job now is a job as my son said. It will bring in the money they need and with both working again things will get much better. for now his mom is making it but with little left for any sort of emergency. so he does know computers and though hes been away from them still he has the knowledge and he should look there too as now any job is better than no job.
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@telmesh (1793)
11 Apr 13
Very true Hatley if your out of the job market even only a short time it is very difficult for an employer to take you on. You get out of practice and dispondant so quickly. Even if it's not the job you want, if you keep looking whilst working especially C.V. on the internet, the right job can come along. I know it happened to me just that way and I was 57.
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@mariaperalta (19073)
• Mexico
4 Apr 13
Sorry to hear that dear. Its happening alot all over this great world. Lets hope he finds something soon. So she can retire and rest...
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Apr 13
no he h as had that and now ran out of it,. I really think he is going to have to compromise and try something else for now as this is not helping his mom this way I know he wants to work in what he has trained to do but surely he cant go o n like this.I think he will have to take some other job for now.,
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• Mexico
4 Apr 13
I think he needs to take something even if its pay is bad...
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• Mexico
4 Apr 13
I understand that. Does he get un employment still?
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