Is Obama's Administration Screw Up With North Korea
By Fatcat44
@Fatcat44 (1141)
United States
April 5, 2013 10:02am CST
Everyone is watching the political chess game in North Korea. This seems to happen that every springtime when North Korea is running out of food and supplies. The nations leader gets up and rallies his country against its enemies and puts on a good show. Then negotiations are done where more food and supplies are sent to North Korea to keep them happy for another year. This has been going on for years.
However our current administration sees it that we must show North Korea how strong we are and send military units, planes and warship there. Mean while this does not give little Kim Yong Un any way to save face and it escalates the problem. The situation now is what can Kim Yong Un do now to save face and still be able to back down as his father always did after his father had obtained food and supplies.
Apparently North Korea imports about 80% of it foods and supplies and cannot supply anything to pay for it. This may be largely because of the sanctions that are placed upon the country. No one has been able to go into the country and start up manufacturing facilities like all of the other Asian countries been able to do. So the only resort North Korea has been able to take is to threaten its neighbors and get paid off and be silent for another year.
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6 responses
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
5 Apr 13
So let me get this straight: You are upset that the POTUS would not negotiate with a crazy communist midget, who can't feed his people, and tries to bully the world into feeding people so he can then kill or imprison them? Didn't we go to war with someone for less? I am proud of our president for standing up (figuratively of course, seeing how EVERYONE stands up this little man) against a tyrant who needs to learn that threats will not make people respect you. His father was an idiot, and apparently that is the only trait that he learned from his father (well that and his low center of gravity genetics). Personally, I think that we should pull an Israel and send a few bombers over there and knock out his mobile missile units, and his nuclear program. Then what will he do to feed his people? Midget mud wrestling sells very well over here in the US. Sounds like a plan to me!!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
5 Apr 13
Sorry, I forgot the disclaimer: No offense to all of the "little people" out there reading this. And no "little people" were used as a soap box during that rant.
@Fatcat44 (1141)
• United States
5 Apr 13
So you say we should go to nuclear war with this crazy? You sound just as crazy has Jung on this one. You don't win a nuclear war. Especially when a little bit of food would have avoided this.
I thought you lefties and libertarians views were to leave the other countries alone and that we were always the bad guy. Why have you flopped 180% debater? So we see your true wacko side. You appear to be perplexed on this.
I know, it is your hero BO and you love him so much that he can't do anything wrong and I will always support him. O Barry you are wonderful! I have news for you -- Barry is not that great.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
5 Apr 13
Fat, I am not "perplexed", I have no problem with taking out a countries nuclear manufacturing if it will me a more stable world. When Israel took out Iran's did it lead to nuclear war? Everyone knows that the only thing he has is his nuclear weapons, and if you take them away from him than he is NOTHING. We also know that if he uses his nuclear weapons we loses as well because he again will have NOTHING. The problem is that we listen to this idiot, and report his idol threats.
I hate to tell you this Fat, but we don't have weekly or annual meetings to discuss how we should think. Liberals don't need people to tell us how to think, apparently you right wingers do. Could you imagine what would happen if RWHR went off the air? It would probably be an end to the party seeing how you would actually have to use your OWN brain, instead of someone else telling you what to think. CRAZY!!!
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Apr 13
That's because these sanctions are just stupid. They don't accomplish ANYTHING. Instead of trading with other countries, North Korea just b1tches and moans until they get free crap. Sure their little dictator is an evil scumbag, but so is nearly every ruler in the middle east and most of Africa yet we don't have sanctions against all of them.
As it is, I don't blame Obama for having a military response prepared. You need that when some jacka$$ with short man's syndrome is threatening to attack his neighbor and us. I DO blame Obama for continuing and expanding sanctions against countries like North Korea and Iran. They DO NOT WORK.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 Apr 13
I don't think it's the same as Iran really. Iran has oil. There is absolutely no way you can convince other countries not to buy it. It's freaking oil. The US and Venezuela positively hate each other yet we never stopped importing 10% of our oil from them which made them our third biggest oil partner behind Canada and Mexico.
North Korea doesn't have any exports that are that vital. Lucky for them, China's still willing to buy most of what they're selling for rock bottom prices.
You're right though. The only way we'll end this garbage is to get him overthrown. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be any organized resistance in that country. His father was very effective at imprisoning anyone who even looked like they might oppose him.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
11 Apr 13
Taskr, the sanctions on these countries are very similar to our immigration problems. When it comes to Iran and North Korea, they have others who will be more than happy to ignore those sanctions to make money. When it comes to immigration we have companies, and corporations that are more than happy to hire illegals to make more money. It is all about money, no matter how you look at it. I hope that the US doesn't give in to this midget, and stands up to him. They only way we will ever end this insanity is to call his bluff, and support the opposition in over throwing him.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
6 Apr 13
I agree with the food thing, but the US provides food for them all year round. It is not just about food this time. It is partly the Napoleon concept...This little man in his pathetic country is rattling the bars of the "cage" around his country. No one passes through the bars of this cage except a few S. Korean workers. They do not even cross over to N. Korea now as the North has stopped this just yesterday.
It is going to be difficult for N. Korea to save face this time without actually doing something very aggressive. We do know that he does not have the capability to make nuclear warheads small enough to fit on the rockets that he has...BUT, he has "friends" that do.
The last that I read about the obamderthal's reaction to this whole thing was that he is going to basically just ignore it. Yes, there are ships etc. in the area, but they have been there for a long time. He is of the mind that this will just go away.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
5 Apr 13
I wasn't aware of this until a couple of days ago when I heard K.T. MacFarland point it out. What a whacked way to get aid! So I wonder why our ambassadors aren't over there following the annual procedure, whatever the U.S. does to remedy this thing? And why don't they educate Kim as to a more civil way to get aid? Oh, wait, yeah, it gets the people on each side all worked up and advances political policies...
Maybe our "leaders" think their careers and their buddies' coffers need advancement. If a war will further these two things, I'm sure there will be one.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
6 Apr 13
I think you may have over simplified this problem. North Korea has had years of issues building. Kim Yong Un's father spent years on years on years indoctrinating that it was all South Korea's fault for their problems.
It is entirely possible that Kim Yong may have bought into this idea completely, and actually believes they most do something about this situation.
It is also possible that Kim Yong doesn't have nearly the political clout his father had, and has to distract, defuse attempts to topple him, through an external threat. This is a very common practice throughout human history.
The successor doesn't have the authority and force of personality to hold power, and so invents an external threat to unify the government under their authority.
I highly doubt that the current growing issue, is merely of the yearly food shortage. In fact, this issue has caused the food shortage if anything.
Prior to this, South and North Korea had a mutual pact on exchanging large stocks of food for labor and business interests. Many South Korean businesses have been built north of the DMZ, under a pact for North Korean labor in exchange for food and supplies.
Given that, I doubt that food and supplies would solve this issue.
If the problem is an ideological drive, then the issue will be solved the moment we engage in conflict, and they lose. Even a small, but decisive victory will end the problem.
If the problem is that Kim Yong Un needs to consolidate power or risk being removed, then it depends largely on his own will to remain in control. If he is completely sold out to his own self advancement, then like Hitler before him, he'll push this issue to his countries ruin.
Time will tell.