Compromise
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
8 responses
@peavey (16936)
• United States
8 Apr 13
That's a very strong video. Ayn Rand has never been a favorite of mine, but she points out the obvious in this. And to answer your question, no. We should never compromise by giving in to what we see as morally wrong. To do so is... well giving in, as she points out. We have a responsibility to ourselves and our God, our country or whatever else is involved, to stand firm on our moral beliefs.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
9 Apr 13
I think even 'religious' thought should be balanced by logic and communicated by logic rather than the idea one should have blind faith. (Albeit, most folks faith is not blind, as others so often assume.)
I have found when I talk to folks of the 'opposite' political party than myself, we often agree on almost all issues! Unless they are extreme, or someone who talks but never listens. They seldom budge from their party though! Which, to me is very puzzling, even though I know that things taught to someone seem to lodge upon their psyche very deeply. That and peer pressure.. Logic! Such a novel idea! (Especially these days?)
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
8 Apr 13
I've been reading up on her as I feel we need some 'unemotional' and logical answers to our problems. I was challenged to come up with an argument that did not use religion or moral values to prove my point, she was the 'logical' place to turn, but in listening to her, I'm finding that the human mind is moral no matter what and that we are really truly without excuse, as the scriptures relate, for our bad decisions and policies. A person without religious beliefs can come to the very same conclusions as a religous person about secular things if they think logically.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
8 Apr 13
Was not able to watch, as I am at work.
What do you mean by compromise? You should not compromise for yourself. If you believe something that strongly, then you shouldn't personally do anything that violates that belief.
Trying to get others to live by your moral values, much stickier, and usually doesn't work.
But you are probably talking politics, and that's a bit more ticklish. What if you have a problem with something that's legal in this country that the majority of people here agree should be legal? Should you fight it, move somewhere else where it's illegal, or what? You can fight it legally by trying to get the laws changed, but if the majority is for it, you're pretty unlikely to win. At that point, do you turn to non-violent protest, violent protest or what?
What if you are a member of a very small minority that vehemently believes in polygamy? Or animal sacrifices? Or some other thing that's illegal here? Do you fight to change the laws, just do it anyway and hope you don't get caught, go somewhere else?
For myself, I try to draw the line at "do no harm to others". Which, no doubt, is subject to interpretation, as is everything.
Gay marriage, as an example. Call it a civil union, give them the same rights as other civil unions, allow churches to decide within themselves whether to sanction it with a church wedding. I don't believe that would be in any way hurting somebody else's straight marriage.
Helmet laws, a little stickier perhaps. Should apply to minors, who are not totally capable of making judgments to protech themselves. But adults? Probably yes, since you could make a case that a person with a brain injury is going to end up possibly on government assistance for the rest of their lives, which does hurt the rest of us financially.
Allowing drones to kill American citizens? Or anybody's citizens, for that matter? I have a real problem with that on both counts, and both sides in congress should have had too. After they take away Obama's peace prize, I think they should hang him and GW Bush side by side. Sadly, it's unlikely that either one will ever come to trial for their crimes.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
8 Apr 13
Actually I was talking philosophically. But I LOVED your response!!
My thinking is not so different than yours on those topics.
but I would love to get your opinion on the short video, it's about 6 minutes long.
I guess it is about any kind of compromise, compromise as it applies to EVERYTHING.
try to view it this evening at home if you can, I'd love to hear what you have to say.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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19 Apr 13
Why would anyone want to listen to such a poor psuedo-philosopher as Rand, who has been thoroughly discredited
all the best, urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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1 May 13
There are those that appreciate reason, they are not the fans of Rand
all the best, urban
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
27 Apr 13
I have no response for you, other than; why would anyone listen to YOU?
@artemeis (4194)
• China
10 Apr 13
As Youtube is inaccessible in my country, I will just comment that we should not compromise anything that is against our dignity and principle even if it means that we are likely to loose our job or property.
There are something more than money or a roof over our heads. I can understand that others may not hold the same resolve but I am one of those that would not budge because there are some lines I would never cross. I could even die trying but again if it is over my limits then that is not compromise to me - it is coercion to the go on the other side and loose my dignity and principle.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Apr 13
Integrity. An almost lost concept. I am so sorry you could not view it.
@Frederick42 (2024)
• Canada
26 Apr 13
Compromise should be there ,when there is no option available. Sometimes, one would even have to bow down before injustice, in order to prevent a greater injustice. Life is not something easy. It is easy to say we should not compromise, but life often forces us to compromise.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
27 Apr 13
Do you have an example of a compromise that would prevent an even greater injustice?
@mukhan92 (32)
• Pakistan
13 Apr 13
I could not listen the video but I still think that a man must should be ready to compromise according to the nature of situation as strict forwardness some times may cause a serious problem.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
16 Apr 13
I would call that sort of thing manners. A compromise is basically changing your thinking on a matter. Which, if you're convinced of the truth and rightness of your stand would mean you let go of the rightness and embrace a bit of wrongness just for the sake of getting along.
I do see your point, manners dictate that sometimes we refrain from aruging for the sake of civility, it does not mean though, that we change our minds.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
9 Apr 13
I'll be back to watch this video in the morning.. but I just had to jump in and say, my first reaction is a resounding no.. we should not compromise out self by giving in on what we see as morally wrong.. but that's for my self and my behavior, yet not everything every one else may choose to do. Take morality for instance, some folks cohabitate before marriage. That's none of my business. And I think laws (thus government should stay out of it.) I feel the same pretty much about gay unions.. I'm for laws and government staying out as government making laws makes for bigger, stronger government. I believe those things are covered in the constitution under right to the "pursuit to happiness" and for that reason I am not against gay marriage, though i fully understand many folk's societal concern about changing the definition of (holy) matrimony. However, take terminating the preborn, I believe that's terminating a life and I cannot support the idea that it is ok, except as has always been, in the case of the mother's life at risk.
...I suppose I'm way off topic.. but got a bee under my bonnet.. I read Ayn Rand's book "Atlas Shrugged" and was favorably impressed, so, barring catastrophe, I will be back to watch the video..
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
9 Apr 13
Very interesting video! Interesting point that whenever good compromises, evil wins! And the point also that their can be no compromise between freedom of the individual and government in control.. (Wording mine from memory.) It's one or the other. To compromise one, ends one.
@Arieles (2473)
• United States
8 Apr 13
It depends on what you view as "wrong?" Everyone has their own opinions. Laws are made on opinions of the majority, so naturally you don't want to break any laws. There are other "wrongs" like committing a "sin" in your "religious beliefs" and there are "wrongs" like stealing someone's car. Now, if you have someone that you care about and there are "religious" beliefs, you should explain to that person why you feel you can't compromise..but make sure to take the other persons beliefs into perspective as well. If it's a crime they want to commit, then maybe you should let them know why it's not a good idea. Compromise does have it's place, but make sure the other person knows "why" you can't compromise on those situations.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
8 Apr 13
What would you compromise on? Lets say your boss tells you to do something you find morally repugnant, would you? Even if it meant loosing your livlihood?