Four Simple Questions
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
April 9, 2013 12:19am CST
4 Simple Questions:
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.' So how can the Obama 'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the term wasn't even used at that time ?
2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama's birth as August 4, 1961 & Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. No big deal, right ? At the time of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father was born in " Kenya , East Africa ". This wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and 27 years after his father's birth. How could Obama's father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the "British East Africa Protectorate."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya)
3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called "KauiKeolani Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity Home", respectively. The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged.
How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978 ?
http:www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx
(http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx)
Why hasn't this been discussed in the major media ?
4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when he was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936—if my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!!!) Now we need a non-revised history book—one that hasn’t been altered to satisfy the author’s goals—to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn’t have been more than 9. Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes (still qualifies as a “liar”).
So?
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9 responses
@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
9 Apr 13
#1. Nowhere on the birth certificate does it say "african american", it lists his fathers race as "african".
#2 The country was commonly referred as Kenya in 1961. Or they called it Kenya Colony, so there really is nothing suspicious about that being stated on the birth certificate.
#3 Actually, that was the name of the hospital from 1931 to 1971. In addition, the site Snopes.com has a birth certificate from someone born the day after Obama that lists the same name for the hospital.
#4 Obama was referring to Stanley Dunham, his grandfather, who served in World War II. Obama lived with his grandparents from age 10 until he went to college. In interviews, Obama has cited his stepfather (Lolo Soetoro) and grandfather as his primary paternal influences.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120927/NEWS02/309270053/FACT-CHECK-Obama-s-birth-certificate
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
Seriously.... I cannot believe that people are still on about this? jeez louise. HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS REAL.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
9 Apr 13
You're right, I'm not going to let go...of my rights, of my country and the Constitution that protects my God given rights.
MY PEOPLE ??? sorry but that is just a ridiculous statement I won't even go into. MY PEOPLE are those who would die for their freedom and not sell it for the proverbial bowl of pottage. They DID NOT check all the birth certificates, ONLY McCain's and btw...Hillary Clinton HERSELF (and her husband) called his eligibility into question UNTIL she sold out to gain power within this bogus administration. And YES, I agree with your statement that this goes much deeper in our system than some would care to admit. And accusing me of hate, lazy. It is not hate to search for the truth, to disagee. Accusing someone of hate because they hold a differing view is not only lazy, it is a very obvious tactic to get them to shut up.
@crossbones27 (49703)
• Mojave, California
9 Apr 13
Wow slippery, next time be more direct. Tell me straight up what you mean. That is when I know people are full of BS they can't talk like us common folk that say "they or them"
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@jdawg011 (498)
• Canada
9 Apr 13
Some people just can't let it go. He is the president of your country. Your people elected him. They checked all the birth certificates thoroughly before he was elected, and if they didn't then it is every single person who works in the government's fault, not just the democrats.
To those who hate him so much: be glad he can't be re-elected and move on.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
9 Apr 13
None of your four points bear scrutiny.
1) The term "African-American" was literally true in 1961 and would have been used to specify that his father was not a Negro American.
2) Kenya, Tanganyika and Uganda were all part of the British East Africa Protectorate and were all referred to by their own names NOT as "B.E.A.P". I can tell you that from personal knowledge because I was alive at the time and had relatives in Tanganyika, Kenya and South Africa. Their postage stamps were different and all bore the names of the countries.
3) The name of the hospital certainly was in use in 1961. The evidence is here: http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/yes-there-was-a-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital-in-1961/
4) As far as I can ascertain, the erroneous statement that Obama's father served in WW2 appears to originate from a speech made in 2008 which is on YouTube. The explanation for this apparent error (or possible mere slip of the tongue) is here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/service.asp . Nobody in their right mind would claim that Obama was "lying" or trying to alter the facts when those facts are so easily verifiable.
You really do your own credibility no good at all by continuing to post such nonsense as this.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
9 Apr 13
Owl, you are trying to reason someone who refuses to listen to reasoning. It is like trying to to get a blind person to read flash cards. Good Luck!!!
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
9 Apr 13
Owl how can a nice Scots gentleman such as you not believe American politics where money and racial prejudice got Obummer into the presidency. Sadly now I have to live under all his crap while Mrs. O and their offspring go on fancy vacations on my tax dollar.
Lately where there has been a political problem or decision to be made Obummer is off golfing. Kind of reminds me of when Nero was fiddling while Rome burned.
@urbandekay (18278)
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9 Apr 13
1. The term African American pre-dates 1960
2. The British East African Protectorate ceased in 1920 becoming then known as the colony of Kenya and gained independence in 1963
all the best, urban
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
9 Apr 13
"Negro" superseded "colored" as the most polite terminology, at a time when "black" was more offensive.[3] This usage was accepted as normal, even by people classified as Negroes, until the later Civil Rights movement in the late 1960s. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as 'Negro' in his famous 1963 speech I Have a Dream.
During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some black American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word, preferring Black,[4] because they associated the word Negro with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroe
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@urbandekay (18278)
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9 Apr 13
The misnomer African-American were in use as early as mid 19th century and was in print in 1853. It is not the case that one term is superseded completely by another, often terms are used interchangeably. All this is just smoke and mirrors, trying to confuse the matter with bogus questions
all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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9 Apr 13
Your link is to some propaganda site aimed at suggesting that Obama's birth certificate is forged; of course they are going to say that. It counts nothing, show me an independent site that says the same
all the best, urban
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@artemeis (4194)
• China
10 Apr 13
To me, there's no truth to whatever is being published here and I feel that these writers should really be singled out than be allowed to slander any people. It is time wasting and damaging to the person involved and the undiscerning few.
How could these people be so irresponsible, and more so, the system for allowing to them to operate like this? But, I suppose this is a free speech issue.
@artemeis (4194)
• China
10 Apr 13
Without a doubt, I wasn't speaking about you literally and I do respect your rights and duty as a citizen. However, I am quite confident that with your country's well defined and established system, all these would have been picked up well before it reaches your level.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Apr 13
If you are speaking of me, my questioning of the validity of Obama's birth certificate, my response is this; I am loyal to the Constitution of my country, my loyalty to the president is contingent on him being loyal to the same document. He is NOT royalty, he is NOT divine. He is a man. He is accountable to the citizens of this country. I have a duty to question his actions, his character and his motives for any decision he makes.
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@teotimoponcerosacena (1551)
• Philippines
9 Apr 13
I think it was a matter of understanding and as a student I think you are too much of a critic than as a student or a Learner. Being born in a place or any place it doesn't matter that you will be a liar by simply telling the truth of origin. The name of the place is no big deal the most important is he was born on that placed and whatever the name given to it, after he was born, still he is entitle for he was born on the placed. Let us use you as example, if the placed you are born was renamed after you are born, do you mean you lost your mother placed for reason it was already renamed.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
9 Apr 13
...a birth certificate is written at the time of one's birth, not later. Albeit of course, one could and should check out these details to see if they are true or not true.. simply dismissing them without research seems...?
@Hopefull90 (921)
• United States
9 Apr 13
I think Obama can say what ever he likes and get away with it. You see this in action on Survivor.
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@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
10 Apr 13
I guess you both would love for Jeff Probst to run for President next term then. I think you both need to go to a shrink because I question your grips on reality. Sorry.
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@Hopefull90 (921)
• United States
10 Apr 13
Spicy: Where did you get that idea? If you don't think that people run and tell the president what others have said and if you don't think that these people may get fired or investigated then your head is in the sand with the rest of the people on Survivor.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
9 Apr 13
Your research certainly brings up some very, very good facts showing Obama to be the ultimate liar. His whole *presidency is built on a mountain of lies. Obama makes the impeached President Nixon looks like an innocent boy scout.
I can just imagine what will be written about Obama, his *presidency and the fact that his color and being the first African American was what put him in the *presidency. We, the American people will be the joke of the century.
IMO he is a "closet" Muslim whose intention is to bring the once proud United States of America to it's knees and we are getting there fast.
* I intentionally use the lower case "p" when discussing Obumer oops Obama and the presidency. He does not deserve to be named President of the United States of America.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
9 Apr 13
urban thank goodness you can run around the UK with sharp instruments and will not harm any Americans. I hope you have adult supervision. Why do foreigners think they know so much about American politics and then make such insulting remarks.
@urbandekay (18278)
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9 Apr 13
These question are totally bogus and anyone fooled by them should not be allowed out on their own or to use sharp instruments without adult supervision
all the best, urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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9 Apr 13
And since that is all to which you object, I trust you now accept your other questions are bogus?
all the best, urban
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
9 Apr 13
I saw someone mention African was put as his father's race because he was Kenyan. African has never been a race. If being from another country makes one a race I'd like to see other such birth certificates. Surely there are more children born to foreign fathers that list their country of origin as their race. Or maybe B.O. is just the liar we know he is.
@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
10 Apr 13
Race on a birth certificate doesn’t come from a hospital worker looking at the father and writing down the father’s race; it is determined by asking the father what he considers his race to be. This is the instruction for filling out a birth certificate from the National Center for Health Statistics:
And to Debrakcarey.... can you try citing different links? Instead of spamming the same one over and over ?
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@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
10 Apr 13
*my touchpad didn't include this part of my response.. sorry
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/the-african-race/
25. FATHER’S RACE (Check one or more races to indicate what the father considers himself to be)
? White
? Black or African American
? American Indian or Alaska Native (Name of the enrolled or principal tribe)________________
? Asian Indian
? Chinese
? Filipino
? Japanese
? Korean
? Vietnamese
? Other Asian (Specify)______________________________
? Native Hawaiian
? Guamanian or Chamorro
? Samoan
? Other Pacific Islander (Specify)______________________
? Other (Specify)___________________________________
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
10 Apr 13
How does one spam one's own discussion? It just so happens the link was relevent to all threads.
If African was the acceptable choice, why doesn't my birth certificate say North American?
RACE is not contigent on the continent you were born on. South Africa at the time had a majority of caucastion peoples.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
9 Apr 13
Should we expect anything else from you Deb. I am surprised there are not black helicopters, or aliens involved. Maybe next time you tell the story you can find away to insert them?
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
9 Apr 13
urban thnk heaven you live in the UK and have NOTHING of importance to say about American politics.
@urbandekay (18278)
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9 Apr 13
Actually, I think we should expect more, Debra's posts are usually better, misinformed, badly reasoned but at least they are reasoned and not, like this, absolute nonsense displaying a complete lack of critical facility
all the best, urban