Many women live together with their men before marriage - recent study

@ravisivan (14079)
India
April 11, 2013 8:30pm CST
I read in a tamil newspaper the following report: "More american women live together with their partner before marriage. The percentage is put at 50. It was less in the earlier years. another point is that 20% of them become mothers before marriage." I wanted to check the veracity of this report or to find whether it was given for increasing the circulation of their newspaper. Yes. I got a link which substantiated that. that was from a site latimes.com May be many of our American/Canadian friends would have read that report. The reason for this -- indecisiveness, lack of permanent job -- are the possible reasons in my view. I am not that familiar with this trend in India. My other Indian friends will tell their views/understanding on this. What is your view on this? What are the causes for this trend?
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@jenny1015 (13366)
• Philippines
12 Apr 13
Over the years, this has grown a lot in different countries. Testing the waters, perhaps. Coz some people just don't seem to be that comfortable of getting into that marriage level thinking that when they decide to get out of the relationship, it might not be as easy.
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@ajithlal (14716)
• India
12 Apr 13
I think it different from the countries to countries. I think some country there is no problem in living together before marriage.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
12 Apr 13
jenny/ajithlal: Yes. the provocation for this post is the new that " soft ware engineers form more than 50% of people seeking divorce in Chennai and the main reason is lack of understanding between the couples. True, in India the living together has not come fully accepted. In western countries even though it is not legalised people stay together and they are considered responsible for their acts.
@kingparker (9673)
• United States
12 Apr 13
I totally agree with that report. I don't need any proof, or statistic report to make it verified. I knew many modern young people are doing the same. First, usually they move in together, and get to know each other, then they might decide whether or not spend the rest of life with each other. That is a smart way to do so, better than rush into marriage, and then later regret on the whole married thing, because they both can't be compatible. So, it is our way of testing the water before dive into it.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
12 Apr 13
kingparker: Your response connotes that you endorse such a strategy because you feel that works well. In one way this is better than people marrying and getting divorce within a year or so. But this will result in single mothers with kids and it is burden on Government to take care of them in some countries.
@Christoph56 (1504)
• Canada
12 Apr 13
People actually get married before living with eachother? I don't think I know anybody who got married first, then moved in together... that really sounds crazy to me! What if you two get along great when you're out and about, but when you live together each of you have your own rules, doesn't that lead to more problems? I'm not married, but talking with my girlfriend, living together is far above getting married to eachother. I can't imagine doing that... it sounds kinda crazy, if you ask me... Maybe it's just because I'm a Canadian :)
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
12 Apr 13
Christoph: your view more or less coincides with mine-- I hail from India and of course hold conservative views. In fact people above 50 or so most of us do have this view. But we can see another view from a young person. Kemantari has told in very clear terms as to why she prefers adopting living together before getting married. That also appears right from her. The reason why older people object to is what will happen if a child is born out of this relationship and how/who will manage such a child.
• Canada
12 Apr 13
I am Canadian too! And I would never get married to someone without knowing what they are like at home. I am very glad that I have moved in with my boyfriend prior to getting married because we are finding out how one another does things, what we buy for food, how we store things and when we like to do laundry and what not... I think it is a very good thing to learn what it is like to be with another person in your own personal living arrangement before getting married because once you get married... if you don't like living with them, it is a lot harder to leave. It requires a lot more work to do so. I don't think this is a trend, nor do I think that this is weird or crazy, it is rather just the new more modern way of doing things.
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
12 Apr 13
hello ravi, I don't consider this thing as a "trend" sir. Maybe this is not common in our places, most especially here in Asian countries. But live-in, living together before marriage is not a trend, rather another fact of life. Some countries opt to live together before marriage to know each other. I do not agree with living together before marriage- but in my opinion there is nothing wrong with it. Those who choose to live-in before marriage thinks more practical than those who get married and later resort to divorce. We know very well that even the most conservative country/people indulge in an elicit affair. So, this living together/live in thing is not a big issue if we only open our mind about realities of life.
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
12 Apr 13
hello again sir, I beg to disagree again- and I never consider it imitating. If some people from Asian countries adapt this kind of relationship- it is not because they want to imitate the West. Maybe because some of them become more practical and smarter. Again- like what I have wrote, even the most religious country/countries or the most conservative people - resort to divorce for a reason.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
12 Apr 13
jaiho: Meeting you in mylot after a long time. Nice to see your response. You have rightly stated that this is not a trend in Asian countries. But in Asia we have started imitating West and this has not come fully in view of parents objection. Your view is that it is not a big issue. thanks.
• India
19 Apr 13
Ravi bhai Such things are becoming common in big cities in India, in my city there are some such couples too, they are not liked by many.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
19 Apr 13
Professor bhaiya: I am surprised to see that in Tier II city like yours also has this type of people--viz. men and women living together without getting married. You have rightly stated that such people are not liked by many. It is because this is totally against accepted standards or norms of our living. True thinking people of our age is more or less varied from that of younger generation. good day.
@beta715 (57)
• Australia
12 Apr 13
Actually,My boyfriend and I are living together now,which is not a test like they say. We share the room and study in Australia, and it is sort of cheap.If I can choose,I prefer not to live together before getting marry. Love need distance,but to some extent,I think it is not too bad. Marriage makes two different people live together, and share their love to both side of family and raise children.The question is they are different, they do have lots of conflicts exist,which may cause a series of problems,such as argument.How to make it campatible for the rest of life.It takes time to adapt and moving together maybe a good way to solve this problem and understand each other. You may not accept their behaviours,but the true is everything has two sides.If women can think rationally,then the situation may be changed.
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@ChoukseyMK (1045)
• India
12 Apr 13
It is quite popular in cosmopolitan cities of India like Mumbai and Delhi, where most of the people are not known to each other. Girls and boys come from other places either for their job or study. They do not get house to stay because most of housing societies do not permit single or bachelors to enter in their society. To overcome this problem they make suitable pair even before marriage and stay happily.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
16 Apr 13
chouksymk this is also one reason. houses being not given for bachelors or single women. but this cannot be a valid reason. Is it prevalent in Mumbai and Delhi. to my knowledge in chennai people are still conservative and they have not come upto this stage. good day.
@mods196621 (3652)
• Philippines
12 Apr 13
ŸThat kind of trend used all over the world especially those modern countries like America/Europe. We are living in a far away Island of the Globe but still we reached by the modernization of riches countries. maybe it is because some of our countrymen lived there and adapt the trend and come to home for some are see it as new trend and set themselves also free to do modern culture. Only just for a try. Since we are in globalization trend mix culture comes way. But I believe, if you really love your country you must do your very own way. Well, everybody are free for opinions.:) Happy days! :)
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
16 Apr 13
mods you are from phil. i consider phil people belonging to advanced country -- with advanced ideas-- i have a number of friends in Phil who are really too good people. True even in Phil there are some people who have boy friends and not getting married. you are right that we should follow the tradition of our own country. good day.
@cupkitties (7421)
• United States
12 Apr 13
That's true and probably also true about the pregnancy. They have more opportunity for couple time because the relatives aren't there to interrupt which is probably the biggest reason for them to move in together. Some people say its to "test" how well they can get along residing in the same house. Is it just me or does it bother anyone else? I believe I'd have to kick my partner to the curb if they asked me to move in for "testing". They shouldn't be asking for marriage if they aren't sure about me.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
16 Apr 13
you belong to younger generation. yes. it is like travelling with one leg inside a boat. not sure about getting into the boat. not having mind to stay away from the boat. think.
@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
12 Apr 13
This system is quite common in America,stats you provided are correct.In India its still limited to metro cities.My personal view is that I like this system of live in relationships.Actually when you get into a relationship,you try to present yourself in best possible manner to your partner but slowly your true side comes up which can be both negative or positive for your partner.If its negative then compatibility issues occur and it results into divorce.In live in relationships a couple get to know each other and if they realize that they can spend their lives together then they marry.This is one of the factors though,other than this many people dont believe in institution of marriage so they live together without marriage.About India, well here people have not yet accepted the system of love marriage fully,many people dont consider having bride or groom outside their caste.So i think its highly probable that live in system will remain as rare as it is now in future too.Best wishes.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
12 Apr 13
grvdubey you are right that it is present in small cities in metro cities. You state that this arrangement helps people to understand. to some extent I have to agree. At the same time you have mentioned that it may not come in large measure in our country. good day.
@alberello (4752)
• Italy
12 Apr 13
Well, even in the country where I live (Italy), couples tend to live together for several years and, as you said in your discussion, it sometimes happens that they have children before marriage. Probably the cause of this growing phenomenon is that unfortunately the future is something too uncertain. The lack of work, the job insecurity, the money is never enough, and so on. I personally am also single and unemployed and I live in Italy, where the crisis has been felt very deeply. At the moment I am maintained from my dear parents, but what will be my future?
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
13 Apr 13
Alberello: How true are the words given in your response being applicable to many other unemployed people. the crisis is felt more not only in Europe but also in other countries like ours. So much so yesterday I read in a newspaper -- a burqa clad young woman gave her new born baby to an auto driver telling that she will bring her father from the opposite side and went away. she never returned. this auto driver entrusted the baby to the police station and police in turn handed over to an orphanage/home in chennai. very sad. such incidents happen due to this living together. I wish Alberello gets at least a part time employment and that will make you earn more and feel important. convey my enquiries to your parents.
@roshigo58 (4859)
• Pune, India
12 Apr 13
Hi, You are right. This trend is going on in western countries. I don't like the trend of live in relationship before marriage. Women become pregnant and then they get separated from their partner. Their kid has to face difficulties with single parent. In India such types of relationships very rare and many couples are spending happy marriage life.
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
16 Apr 13
roshigo to some extent the policies are also responsible. single mothers are given aid -- that makes people who are properly wed also to claim single mother status. this trend of living together should not be encouraged. good day.
• Philippines
26 Apr 13
I am from the Philippines and I know a lot of women who practice living in with their partners prior to getting married. I think it is somehow helpful since you get to experience living together first, see if you can really stand being with that someone 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year! It is also advantageous since we dont have divorce here in our country, so if you can no longer stand your partner, you can just simply walk away without the bond of marriage.
@neelia27 (896)
• Philippines
12 Apr 13
marriage is not an easy thing it should be done when both in the relationship are ready in terms of financial,spiritual,physical and emotional.. so i guess they choose to live together than being married simply because they are not both ready.. i personally living in with my boyfriend and we already have a son and it doesn't bother me because my boyfriend and i both know that this is not the right time for us to get married because we still have an issues regarding our financial matters.. i know there will come a time for it..
@ravisivan (14079)
• India
16 Apr 13
neelia perhaps you are from usa/phil. your argument sounds good for you but is not that very appealing for most seniors. Why marriage cannot be done-- what extra problems may arise -- you already have a son. who is responsible for the upbringing of son? if you are married then there will be a commitment on the part of both of you. anyhow you are free to have your view. good day.
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
12 Apr 13
Dear Ravi, I think those statistics are more or less correct. I think there are fundamental cultural differences between customs in India and Western countries. Unless I am mistaken or things have changed in India most marriages are still arranged between the two sets of parents and then the bride moves into the house of her hunsbands's parents. There is also the dowry and the very expensive jewellry that puts a strain on the parents of the bride. Correct me if my information is not correct. In the West people mostly marry for romantic feelings called love. The young couple finds each other, at school, at work, at university,at clubs, at sports. They date and these days they then find a place i.e. an apartment that they rent together if they think they will be happy together. Each party, that is both the man and the woman are on the lease and each party is responsible to pay the rent. If the arrangement works out well they might decide to get married, if not they split up, sometimes even after a child or children are born. At least this is cheaper than getting married and then getting a divorce after a time. Sadly the divorce rate is very high. Part of the reason is that most people believe that both men and women should be able to be independent, have a skill, be able to earn a living by themselves. Since most women strive to be able to do this and keep on working after marriage, they split up if things do not work out. Women have the economic means i.e. their own money, bank account credit card etc. to be able to leave an unhappy situation and make a new life for themselves. Maybe couples are not trying hard enough to work out their differences. The positive side of this is that no woman has to stay in an abusive situation.
• Mexico
20 Apr 13
Hi ravisivan: I think that the usual roles on how relationships should be and take place have changed a lot in western societies. Now it's more common to decide to start living before you get married because relationships are more based on a mutual contentment rather than a ceremony. At the same time, many couples get divorced for the most idiotic excuses. But it's up to you to decide how much you want to give to your relationship to have a healthy relationship with your partner. And that's more important than a wedding ring or a ceremony. ALVARO
@collie26 (25)
• Philippines
13 Apr 13
It really depends on the culture of the country. Lets just say in America, they are open to that idea and its not a big deal for them since that teenager in America when they reach 18 years old can decide on their own already. Well, there is an advantage for that, you won't be committed to the person forever if you started to live with your partner before your marriage, this will give you time to know the real attitude of the person you'll gonna be spending the rest of your life. If things won't work, then you have the option to decided not to continue with the marriage if both of you agreed that things will not work out for both of you.
• India
17 Apr 13
That is there nature. In india We are forgetting our traditional values and wants to implement the foreign culture like sofware industry in inda. If this spreads like the company no one wish to marry. They will live with their desired peoples and act whatsoever you told. Man desire to achieve to all in short span of time leads to all these things happen suddenly.
• Philippines
12 Apr 13
since we're on a new era it is already accepted in the society . and I think there're no problems with that . I guess couples needs to test their compatibility by living together even though they're not married yet . I think its more clever than to get married and soon realize that you're not compatible to each other and just decide to divorce . it will just affect your family if you have children.
@amundy8 (58)
15 Apr 13
Although living together first has become common in America partly because of financial convenience, it has also ended in many divorces more so than not. Not sure why it has been a problem, but many couples I have noticed have admitted that they were too comfortable to move forward into marriage as if there was nothing left to do once they got married. Some actually had regrets of moving in before marriage. It's not really a trend, though it is common.