Waiting for the light to arrive ,but the dark tunnel of recession is not ending!
By grvdubey11
@grvdubey11 (1879)
India
April 20, 2013 4:01pm CST
We have read this line so many times in famous books and articles that it is so comforting to see light at the end of the long dark tunnel.As we all know recession which started in 2008 is still going on.But the million dollar question is when will it end?.My field also got affected by recession like many other fields and every night we pray before sleeping that our job remains intact.Kindly share your knowledge about this, will we see any improvement in this sorry situation? if yes then when will it happen? any financial experts here?
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6 responses
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
20 Apr 13
Well most likely never, at least not totally. (this means it could get better or worse but not like our past affluent days)
There are two major obstacles, high oil development prices and escalating debt. Debt may not be as bad as it sounds if the GNP grows in proportion to counter act it. However, GNP will most likely not because of an unavoidable recession downturn.
The other obstacle to growth is oils, something we continue to be dependant on. Alternative energy is not catching on as quick as it needs to. If we lived in a hydrogen electric society it might be different but we don’t, at least not yet.
Another alternative to better living conditions is possible but it is not readily acceptable. Perhaps, in the distant future it will be. In our present age the economy is the buzz word while in a future generation earth resources/environment might be - leaving our obsession for the economy in the past. This kind of futurist society however would mean a total rearrangement of our money systems not something many are willing to give up.
now... HOW’S THAT FOR X - SPIRTS?
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@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
21 Apr 13
Appreciation for your response.I agree with all your points but i dearly hope things become better.Actually i started my career at International Shipping in 2007 and this problem started in 2008.Not for one day i could do my job in peace,daily we hear that vessel might be shored or some of us will get fired.Now they have almost stopped recruiting new officers too.Then i read in a blog that things will deteriorate in our industry.Anyways about the points you mentioned i would like to add that recession has lot to do with some of the policies too which are made to support the logic of maximum profits and minimum investment.Firing people has lot of advantages for the corporate.
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@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
21 Apr 13
The real problem with economic woes is that they hurt people. World economics change then toggle down, corporations respond and workers take the blows until it hits the most important people, the families.
It is cycle. In the past we have had world depressions too. If there is a positive side it would be that this last one was adverted but we still felt and will continue to feel the after shocks.
There will be those that will take advantage if they can but usually everyone feels the pain including companies that are forced to cut corners someway. I think everyone would like to see a better picture but when it comes to straight economics it is what it is.
What we can do though is adjust. Many people are finding new ways to save money for example while a few are finding new ways to make money.
I sympathise with your situation and do know there are many people that do not have it easy. I can relate much too easily to this with my life as well. There is always bad news but hopefully we can read something one day that gives a better story maybe not to do with economics but still good news.
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@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
22 Apr 13
My curiosity is that is there any way to avoid such a cycle by learning from past bad experiences of economic depressions or it will come no matter what.I hope that there is some way ,like you correctly mentioned common people and their families suffer from it.Common people don't have any cushion like the rich people and its hard to survive in economic crisis with all those limited savings they have.
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@Professor2010 (20162)
• India
21 Apr 13
Gaurav beta
You are a sailor, i can feel how hard that job is and how difficult to get a good job, but till one gets a better job, he she has to stick to it, telling there is light at end of tunnel is kind of illusion.
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@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
22 Apr 13
Respected sir,
Thanks a lot for kind advice and guidance.I love my job and will stick to it whatever happens its just that on regular we hear that someone is fired and we feel bad about that.That is why i feel that this hard time should be over soon as its really frustrating.
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@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
21 Apr 13
I agree it could be an illusion or it could be a sign.
On the sea, the sky tells stories to any good sailor. If it looms in darkness a poor sailor not worth his salt would go to the head and slump down in despair. A good sailor would look for an opening somewhere waiting for the sky to show him/her the direction they should set sail to for better weather.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
20 Apr 13
I was waiting for the news of a triple dip recession, we heard from the government that this country has hit a double dip recession, and yet there's still no sign of us getting out of it, companies and stores are going out of business seemingly on a daily basis and there's still mass employment, admittedly this cannot be fixed over night, but there's still no end in sight, and still no light at the end of the tunnel. It is extremely worrying, people are losing their homes as well, and yet inflation is rising as to is the price of gas. I really think we need a change of government, a strong government who doesn't stick their heads in the sand and hope the problem will go away. It won't!
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@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
21 Apr 13
The governments seems to the the root of the problem, their nexus with businessmen.I am part of shipping industry which is hit badly by recession and i am really fed up of these daily discussions how many ships are getting shored.I recently read about something like financial responsibility month in one of the strongest countries in the world.This problem is stretching too far.Thanks a lot for your response.
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@MoonGypsy (4606)
• United States
21 Apr 13
it's kind of funny that you post this, because a stock broker at the bank was trying to convince me to put all my savings into stocks. he was trying to say that the recession was over.
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@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
21 Apr 13
I am not surprised about his claim that recession is over.We all know what banks have done to the world .The Prime minister of my country is an ex banker too,sixty percent of population here lives under poverty line and according to him there is prosperity everywhere.People are eating good food and wearing good clothes hence there is inflation.These are the logic's these people use.Thanks a lot fro your response.
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@ptrikha_2 (46917)
• India
22 Apr 13
While technically, India is not counted to be among recession, and in fact one of the fastest growing world economies at 5-6%, in spite of slower growth rates than what we were having from years 2004 to 2008. The reason for this is that at a basic level our economy has been under-developed, with low ineffeciency marking agriculture and manufacturing sectors. Services sector has been better, mainly because it has grown due to 1991 liberalization process.
Yet the 5-6% growth rate hides a potential pitfall- increasing domestic and Multi-national corporations' competition forcing many companies to cut down on employees whenever things go downhill for them.
The scenario is different from that in developed countries. People there also loose jobs at times.
Yet there are a lot of differences in the way the social and economic climate is:
1)Socially and historically, they have been more accustomed to changing, loosing and getting jobs again. They either have another vocation, or lifestyles which accomodate breaks in careers, or jobs. In India, unfortunately, job losses can lead to financial stresses, fear of downgraded social esteem, and increased health disorders, especially mentally. There are some changes, but not fast enough.
2)Lack of social security and unemployment Net- In many countries in West, especially European countries and to some extent in United States, people get a reasonable unemployment allowance, even if they are out of job for long times. This has not been feasible in India so far. However, I believe it can be done if corruption in government funds reduces to almost Nil. :)- Well looks like a dream!
3)Lack of emphasis on developing self-entrepreneurship or vocational skills which can help one during times of recession or job loss.
With the kind of social, political and economic atmosphere we have in India, it looks unlikely that things will get comfortable. So, our tensions on saving our jobs would remain. What we need is a social and political system which does not worship those with great political power and those who are very famous or super-rich. Perhaps a series of awareness campaigns, and lot more equity in the way we treat persons of different bank balance and wealth.
@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
23 Apr 13
Thanks a lot for detailed response.Yes India is not technically under recession right now but like you mentioned correctly we might have to face the fire of recession soon.You see the inflation is quite high and Industrial production has also taken a serious setback.Only banking sector is doing well.But with the purchasing power of people becoming less the situation will become tougher.Adding to what you mentioned ,the taxation system of India should be more organized and transparent,there are lot of loopholes to bypass the taxation or to pay much lesser taxes.There are hardly any attempts to find oil resources too.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
21 Apr 13
Patience. There is light at the end on the tunnel. One of the reasons for all the job losses has been that the housing market has been shut down. I see more new housing starts than I have in years. Further, the banks are starting to realize that if they are going to make money, they will need to loosen up a bit. All this speaks well for the economy. Oil price is the wild card. The high energy prices started all this mess to begin with. They could stall the economy. Little do the oil companies realize is that they could make more money in the long run if they would allow the economy to get back on it's feet again before raising those prices.
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@grvdubey11 (1879)
• India
22 Apr 13
Thanks to both of you for putting up nice points. The question here is about the intention of governments and their inclination towards corporate logic to make maximum profits with minimum investment.I am not a financial expert at all,but whatever i read ,according to that state of recession is actually suiting lot of powerful people and i dont think there is enough seriousness about ending this problem.However i agree that prices of Oil is big factor here.
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@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
21 Apr 13
I beg to differ. I really like your optimism and agree that the light at the end of the tunnel is something that can get us out of a slump. It really applies well not so much to world economics but smaller concerns like how will Bob pay his rent bill next month. I agree stay optimistic.
I disagree that oil companies set prices. An oil company is like any other company in that they are subject to market prices. Prices fluctuate and do change in world markets and there are many factors that can effect a change.
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