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Why Have Republicans Achieved Success in the States but Not Federally?
@mythociate (21432)
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
April 21, 2013 10:27am CST
I don't remember how NYTimes.com's Nate Silver put it in http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/in-state-governments-signs-of-a-healthier-g-o-p/ but I can guess just by looking at the words "republican" & "democrat."
"Republican" government-officials treat 'the people' as they treat themselves (citizens are the Public, officials are RE-public); "democrats" treat the people as 'variables in the statistic-demo.' 'Operating according to statistic-an@lysis' is the best way to handle national matters, whereas state-officers can better handle their people face-to-face.
Is that about the size of it?
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@burrito88 (2774)
• United States
21 Apr 13
Christy Whitman lowered taxes in New Jersey and her solution to make up that money was to 40 year bond issues. New Jersey has been in so much debt from the interest on those bonds they can't repair any roads.
Republicans treat 'rich' people as themselves. Democrats treat all people as people.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Apr 13
Wow, and I thought the "blame Bush" routine was getting old after 4 years. Whitman left office over 12 years ago. Since then there have been THREE democrats as governor including Corzine, a disgusting criminal who thoroughly ran the state into the ground. This is the same scumbag who "lost" $1.6 billion of his customers' money.
I'm not claiming Whitman was anything special, I wasn't in NJ at the time and nobody I know who was liked her. I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is to blame her for the destruction that 3 consecutive democrat governors did to that state after her.
@burrito88 (2774)
• United States
22 Apr 13
The bonds were FORTY YEAR bonds so they still have 28 years to go. She mortgaged the future of the state. This is the reason that Gov. Christie has had to make drastic cuts and make proposals like privatizing the NJ Turnpike/Garden State Parkway and adding tolls to Interstate 80. Christie's ratings as governor were low, before hurricane Sandy.
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
21 Apr 13
Democrat governors just like Democrats on the national level follow the policies of spend, spend, spend and spend their states into debt like Democrats on the national level do to the country. But on the state level people see it as hitting closer to home and affecting them more than they do on the level of the country as a whole. Nationally the government just keeps borrowing and running up the national debt especially when Democrats are in control. In most states this is not allowed so when a state starts going into debt it means many cut backs in funding for everything. So Republican governors are elected to try to get the state's finances in order.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
21 Apr 13
So Republicans spend out of the money they HAVE (or that they PLAN to have), while Democrat just SPEND & 'have faith' that Big Daddy will give them the money they need?
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
21 Apr 13
Yes, for the most part. There are exceptions on both sides of course. My experience here in my state with the present Republican governor, who is somewhat stymied by the legislature be under Democrat control, and the previous governor who was a Democrat points in that direction. The Democrat governor had been preceded by a Republican who had gotten the finances of the state in very good order and had managed to reduce wasteful spending. When the Democrat came in the first thing he did was to get the budget of the office of the governor doubled. Part of his reason for this was so he could hire a bunch of people who were in his control and that he could use later in his laughable attempt at running or president. The state is still suffering from his spending. If he had not been governor and hadn't done so much wasteful spending than the great financial shape that his predecessor Republican governor had left to him with have stood the state well during the recent recession. But the spending of the Democrat meant that the recession took a much greater toll on the state than it would or should have.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
23 Apr 13
Yep, 'your eyes get bigger than your stomach' when you aren't filling YOURSELF anymore!
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
22 Apr 13
If you look at voting by precint you see some very interesting patterns. For example Mass a very liberal state is mostly red by area. The places that vote Democrat tend to depend upon the federal government either for employment or for support. Government offices and people dependent on government tend to live in large cities and these show up at blue areas. In Mass the democrats are very strong in the Boston area and the rest of the state is mostly red or voting republican. In many states the federal vote is controlled by one or two large cities. In NY, Mass, and IL are examples and in state elections the out lining areas tend to vote more in state and local elections.
If more states were to adopt proportional voting for national elections it would make for closer electoral collage elections.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
23 Apr 13
Bob, what about the number of people living off the government in red areas like those who receive farm subsidies? When you get paid not to plant your crop by the US taxpayers isn't that living off the government? They all vote republican by the way, because republicans support their federal subsidies, and federal crop insurance.
"If more states were to adopt proportional voting for national elections it would make for closer electoral collage elections."
In other words: If we GERRYMANDER the electorial college, like we have at the state level, we will actually win elections. Sounds like someone is trying to play GOD with our election system!!!!!
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Apr 13
No. Most people are conservative when it comes to themselves and liberal when it comes to others. A woman can be pro life for herself And pro choice for others for example. Plus, the Republicans Want less federal government so they can lie to the people they know. The Democrats want to lie to All the people.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
21 Apr 13
"Weel Done! Sister Suffragette!"
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@mensab (4200)
• Philippines
21 Apr 13
it just shows that there is a difference in the national and local politics. the issues that hound the national government may be differently viewed by the voters in the local level that have personal ties and bonds to the candidates. if obama does not perform well, the democrats are in trouble. the last election, obama barely won his second term.
@robspeakman (1700)
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21 Apr 13
A good rule of thumb these days is that one should never trust a politician - They all lie.
I am cynical enough to realise that one may claim they become a politician to help others, But that is never the case. They may well help others - as long as the helping others helps themselves or friends first.
If a person wanted to truly help others, then become a teacher, doctor or nurse
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
21 Apr 13
Believe it or not there are good politicians. This is especially true at the state and local level where they are not so disconnected by the people they govern and represent.
When my wife's insurance company refused to pay for the birth of our son, it was a politician, Alex Sink, who fixed the problem. A year later when the insurance company did a "take-back" where they retroactively choose not to pay, it was another politician, Jeff Atwater, who made them pay.
When a friend of mine was told that her college major was cancelled, and all her credits towards that major would be treated as "electives", it was a politician, Pamela Lampitt, who hounded the college incessantly until they had my friend's credits apply to a different, similar major so she could graduate.
Trust me, there are good politicians who really do want to help people and will literally jump at the opportunity to solve problems when it's within their power. I have a lot of friends who tell me it's a waste of time to call politicians when they have these problems. Those that take my advice are often pleasantly surprised.
For the record, good politicians, especially at the local level, don't give a crap what your party affiliation is, nor do they let their own get in the way of helping people.
The three occupations you listed are all noble careers, but none of them would have had the power to fix the issues I listed above.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
21 Apr 13
I guess Rob is talking about situations in which people 'need money' to fix their problems, and--not to say politicians WOULDN'T make such sacrifice--but I wouldn't WANT a politician to forsake their own 'survival'-money to clear-up some extra debt I've got hanging over my head
@maxfashioned (188)
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23 Apr 13
Makes me feel like my vote doesn't really count federally. Electoral college is outdated and a bunch of bs in my opinion. In my town most people used to be democrats but not sinse Obama.