Did He Know or was He Shocked?( Adam and Eve)

If he knew it was going to happen, why not stop them? And why punish them afterward?

Because of Revelation 13:8 which says in part, "...the Lamb (Jesus Christ) who was slain from the creation of the world," I believe the tree was put into the Garden to test Adam and Eve, but God knew they would fail the test.

This is just a Fairy story, and not to be taken factually. As there was no sin before this event, the participants could not have known. God is made to look silly in this story for reasons unknown. Lets face the facts here- this is just a fiction! Perhaps the originator was drinking, and having a bit of fun at humanity!

What if God did know ahead of time? What do you think He should have done? Should He have taken away from Adam and Eve the right to make their own decision whether they would believe God or the serpent? Should He have not put the tree in the garden in the first place, taking away any possibility of a decision for them to make to trust and believe God or not? God told them what would happen if they ate the fruit. How could it be a set up when they were warned ahead of time?

G-d had BOTH ways planned. True, the second way (the way we went) required a lot more on OUR end & was a lot more complicated; rather than just sitting around & being supported by the garden G-d supplied us, we have to go out and make things "ours" and support them ourselves. You might suppose that the Adam-&-Eve story is merely a metaphor for 'becoming of-age & moving out independently'---so long as we strictly obey our parents (getting a job when they tell us to, moving out where & when they tell us to, marrying when & whom they tell us to, etc.), everything seems to be given by G-d (through them) ... blissful ignorance.

" Did G-d Know Adam and Eve were going to eat the fruit " Yes he did , He Almighty know every thing happened in last and what will happen in the future created them to live on earth , not in Heaven .

Something else that is explained away with brilliant ease if one has faith. But for folks who don't, it's another confusing, contradictory aspect of a supposedly omnipotent, all-knowing being. My best guess is that God always knows everything and is everywhere, unless one needs to explain free will. Because if one has free will yet the outcome is known, then it's not free will. The decisions one makes that one believes are "free" were actually preordained, which then brings up huge issues, like why a god that demands worship would make it to where most people didn't worship it, or sin, or question, etc. For me personally, it's a story that wasn't thought through well enough. It wouldn't be picked up by any publisher in today's marketplace. And the amalgamation is even worse. For believers, I'm sure it's just that God decided to test out his creations and waved its all-knowingness. I mean, we're speaking about faith here, after all -- the belief that people evolving through natural means is impossible, with a great creator speaking them into existence being the only logical way. If I were to believe in God and personally attribute everything to God that I'm told it's capable of and is, then I would have to believe that God knew (and knows) everything. Thus people having free will becomes an illusion. Because if I were to believe that God didn't know, then I couldn't rightly attribute God with being the absolute supreme most powerful thing I could ever possibly imagine.

Now, Sararuthbeth22, if you are going to start asking questions about those bible stories, you are going to discover they are only stories and do not add up. Your logic is flawless. God would know what was going to happen. It had to be a set up and their god likes punishment. All he needed was an excuse. Clearly, this is not the Real God. Now if you were blindly accepting like many people, you would be happy with the stories. They might say that thinking is dangerous, however it is crucial if one ever wants to discover the truth. I must admit. You have come up with some really good questions for the Adam and Eve story. They shine a light on reality.

If I remember from my catholic school days, wasn't it that he gave Adam and Eve the freedom to make their own choices? Didn't he give them paradise and life to live forever? And if I remember correctly, he told them if they stay clean and pure they will live forever and in paradise. So basically he gave them the choice to make. And they chose what they did.

They didn't have to fail the test. But they chose to. It is a function of God's nature that He can be shocked without being surprised. So Christ in Gethsemane, sore amazed. Yet He had known it would happen.

Adam fell that man could be. He could not have children until after the fall. This was part of the overall plan. God in his perfection, cannot create anything inperfect. Also, God will not force and gives everyone freedom of choice. Adam and Eve saw that to have children, (probably more of woman's desire, Adam and Eve choice to fall so that they could realize the plan that they could have children. Else, why was Jesus planned as the Savior before the foundations (creation) of the earth. It is all his great plan.

I believe God did not know which way they would choose. On the other hand I don't believe he was shocked either. The possibility that they would make the wrong choice was necessary. God made provisions for their failure and eventual salvation.

Hes god, all knowing and all seeing, so wouldn't that mean he already knew? So I think the same way you do.

The way I heard it was that God had to put some kind of test for them in the Garden as Satan would accuse God of protecting them. Something about them not having a choice to follow or not. I am not sure why he thought that as they could have had the same weakness that Satan had and that was of pride.

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