Ok debate on Who is For spanking and not spanking!!!!

He needs to be corrected, but it doesn't have to be by spanking. There are plenty of effective, less violent ways to punish children. The schools these days indirectly teach kids how to manipulate their parents with threats to get what they want and obviously it works. My elder teen tried that mess with me one time because she couldn't get her way. I gave her the full run down of what it's like for children living in foster homes since that's where she would end up. My dad lived in a foster home for a while and he told her about it. She never tried that again. My kids don't get spanked and they are very respectful and would never curse me out in the store like that. You just have to know how to handle them.

Back in the 80's, and before I had kids, there was a child psychologist who advocated spanking under limited conditions. He felt that it was only appropriate to spank if a child was out of control, and a swat on the butt was the only way to get their attention. Even this was too extreme for some people, and the paper soon dropped his column. I tend to agree with him. I have not had to get more extreme than this. Usually reasoning in combination with rewards and punishments (taking things away, grounding, etc.) has worked quite well with my children. But you have to be consistent and say what you mean and do what you say. if you don't follow through, your children will figure out that they can get away with things, and they will walk all over you, and eventually you will have a situation like you are describing. but I do believe it is possible, despite a parent's best efforts, that a child may get out of control anyway, and more drastic measures may be needed.