Does hell exist?
By joan reyes
@joanreyes00 (43)
Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
17 responses
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
28 Sep 15
Don't believe in hell, it was made up to scare people or translated incorrectly.
The bible does mention a certain practice at that time. The deceased would be honoured by their loved one but a person unworthy would be tossed over into a garbage dump and it was set on fire. This practice signified how those with a life of hateful criminal actions would come to a poor lonely end.
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@OneOfMany (12150)
• United States
28 Sep 15
Also why would people be so happy to think that others would suffer eternal torment? That's not very nice. For people that wish that fate on others, they should not have a paradise to go to.
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@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
28 Sep 15
@OneOfMany I believe the concept of hell was either not interrupted correctly out of the bible or it was invented for the purpose to shock and frighten people into submission. God does not torment but mankind can sometimes.
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@OneOfMany (12150)
• United States
28 Sep 15
@Bluedoll I'd say mankind loves to control others.
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@OneOfMany (12150)
• United States
27 Sep 15
There is no hell in the bible. It mentions a lake of fire where Satan will burn, but it doesn't say that anyone normal will go there. Hell was created as a concept in the Middle Ages in Europe.
Now there is a reincarnation cycle that could be called hell, but it's not something normal people get into either. It was like a prison system set up for very select people thousands of years ago.
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@Masihi (4413)
• Canada
27 Sep 15
Morgan I completely agree with you, there isn't anything concrete in the Bible regarding hell - judgement, yes, but hell as in the catholic church preached, no. I guess I should have read your comment before posting mine, LOL, we both basically the same thing!
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@OneOfMany (12150)
• United States
27 Sep 15
@Masihi I like exploring for truth, and I like that in the gnostic texts it has passages about reincarnation being cut from the bible. If that was widely excepted there would be no hell, and thus less people remaining faithful.
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
27 Sep 15
@OneOfMany ..about that reincarnation, there was a discovery channel show or was it national geographic, I fail to recall, but it mentioned that since formation of earth the life on it has turned over x number of times (again I fail to recall x there). The program mentioned that after we die, our bodies get decomposed, it is eaten away by microbes and broken down into smaller components, including many chemical compounds. This is valid for everything on the face of earth including rocks which are dismantled by denudation. I could therefore, be part of a dog before, and a snake prior to that, who knows a flower before that. That could be a type of reincarnation though it would be difficult to find somebody who completely had all the elements that were present in previous life. I for one don't believe in that kind of reincarnation.
@Masihi (4413)
• Canada
27 Sep 15
Thank you so much for posting this!!! I know it's a hot topic (no pun intended) but no, I also don't believe hell is an eternal punishing place. I mean if G-d is merciful and righteous, wouldn't that speak out of His character??? Just think about it, and logically, too.
Now, I do believe in a judgement - when the books are opened in the olam haba (world to come) and we find out if our names are written in the sefer l'chaim (which means the book of life) - and that the wicked will be eradicated, never to exist no more. To me, that speak much more better of G-d's character as opposed to eternal suffering and torture and pain.
During the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church had many depictions on hell and how horrible it is, just the scare the people into converting to the religion. I believe it is dramacised to even higher amounts of torture as the years went on, and even some cathedrals had images of hell to keep the parishioners in their place.
@OneOfMany (12150)
• United States
27 Sep 15
I think you said it much better than I have, so thank you for your post!
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@Salamnda (476)
• United Kingdom
27 Sep 15
@Masihi . do you think burning for few seconds will be easy ? i mean we cant take the heat of the summer sometimes, so what about the seconds that might not be the same seconds we have?
as the day is not the same day and the earth is not the same earth at that time ...
i guess we need to research and look for answers , even beyond what we grow up knowing from our parents ,
since we have the time, i think we need to use some of it to search all the resources out there and see where we stand , are we on the right path?
do we have the right beliefs ?
is there something else that we dont know?
or something we see it from the wrong angel?
i guess since we are alive we need to search , like many dose and they find it in their hearts,
we have the choice ... we can educate our selves , away from every conflict and preprogrammed ideas , and see are we going right?
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
7 Dec 15
I agree. As long as you don't harm others, you don't fear hell. If you don't repent your sins that harmed others, you still fear that. But once a person starts repenting, god understands. If possible penance may be asked. But if not, god will soothe the hurt in a different way. That is how I understand god.
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@totobasso (331)
• Canada
6 Dec 15
It doesn't make any sense, does it? If "hell" existed then why does not God tell Adam and Eve about it?
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@HebrewGreekStudies (1646)
• Canada
6 Dec 15
To be fair, you don't really know what God told Adam and Eve beyond a few statements;)-but following that line of thought, there are many things it appears Adam and Eve were not told about. Christian faith follows the teaching of Christ as handed down via the Apostles, not on what Adam and Eve were told.
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@HebrewGreekStudies (1646)
• Canada
6 Dec 15
@totobasso again, we do not establish doctrine from isolated places in the Bible, while ignoring the normative teaching of it-Christian faith is Apostolic, ie the teaching of Christ handed down via the Apostles, His witnesses. You must explain away far too many texts to establish such a doctrine (and the idea of an invisable Parousia-which the early Church never believed at all)-that is to say, while saying you go by the Bible, you are creating a new doctrine in addition to the Bible...which is what JW's accuse us of doing all the time;).
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@totobasso (331)
• Canada
6 Dec 15
@HebrewGreekStudies Thanks for replying! God told them that if they disobeyed they would die and become dust and not that they would go to a place of everlasting torture. If they had not sinned there would be no need for God's son to come to the earth to repurchase mankind. He told them all that was important to them and to us.
@ataboy (737)
• United States
8 Dec 15
Does it REALLY seem reasonable that this God fella' places everyone all over the planet to be raised by their families or whomever with their own beliefs often pushed on us and limited resources to objective literature and many thousands of religions, each with followers that provide seemingly substantial proof of their religion and/or God(s), BUT we are expected to find one specific religion SOMEHOW out of the sea of diversity of faiths and if we just happen to even come across it, we should absolutely know that it somehow is THE right way? Anything short of this and daddy God sends us straight to our HELL bed for the eternal sleepless slumber! How else will we ever learn?!
I'm leaning towards................."no."
But, hey, that's just me and my crazy off-the wall ideas that I start spouting off after a few glasses of this oddly strong tasting beverage I just happened across.
Of course, if someone's asking, it seems like they might have a reason why they are doing so! So whatever you're thinking about doing...Just don't do it! I'm pretty much agnostic at the moment (however I'm flexible, mind-wise!) But I pretty much don't do things that are considered sins! Not all that difficult to fit into more than one Jell-O mold without losing vital appendages in my most humblest of humble opinions, and they're all quite humble (says I)! So eye's off your neighbor's husband and no killing or hateful actions....OK? Can you do that? And the golden rule is absolutely golden material! Follow it to the letter...And stop worrying about fire and brimstone! It's simply sulfur and a match, we've got it here in the Earthly plane, and everyone's OK! OK?
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
10 Dec 15
@totobasso ..religions right and wrong? :) Actually, I think religions all began with a fear of nature's fury, and need to keep everybody in a non-fighting mode so that everybody would survive the animals. Caveman didn't follow any of the religions that we know of. No christ, no allah, no hindu gods, or judaism. I guess some wise man decided if the caveman was going alone against the animals, chances of anybody succeeding were not good. But collectively, there was some hope. So started the concept of god, wife (yeah..after all it is women who get pregnant and can't hunt food), and need to be provided for like children. And specialization in different fields came into picture. I don't say god does not exist. He does. But he is in the least bothered about keeping accounts of sins and good acts. He is just indulging us as little children. When children disobey and fall or hurt themselves do we say good it happened to you because you didn't listen to me or do we feel concerned about injuries? If god is the big daddy then he is concerned. As simple as that.
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@totobasso (331)
• Canada
8 Dec 15
If you read my comments you will see that as far as I'm concerned there is no "hell." So since most religions believe in "hell", if I"m right that would eliminate most religions as being on the wrong path. That leaves just a few left that could be on the right path.
As far as I'm concerned there are not thousands of religions but only two; the right one and the wrong one. Everything in the universe is very precise so it would not make sense that religion would be so confusing.
Some easy illustrations:
There are hundreds of different counterfeit money, depending on who made it, but only one genuine money made by the government.
There are millions of keys but very few or maybe one that would open my door.
There are many versions of a lie but there can be only one version of the truth.
Nice to have you here!
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@totobasso (331)
• Canada
9 Dec 15
@ataboy (Hitler and such-like ones) God decides if they get a second chance due to not having had enough incarnation to have known what they were doing. Those guilty, will be punished by permanent nonexistence. It is the ultimate prison, no pain, not torture and no life.
(terrorists) It doesn't matter what we believe, what matters is the truth. They blow themselves up and it all ends there, unless God brings them back. The innocent victims will return for a chance at the real life, where there is no suffering and they get to enjoy all the blessings of life with none of maledictions.
(religion) Religion is like time, very precise, just as when you ask1000 people the time and each one tells you a different time and only one time is correct as it is very precise.
(money) Genuine older money was still issued by legal authorities and that's why it is not counterfeit.
(truth) Ultimate truth exists! I see it everywhere, such as fingerprints.
Guy, I know that we can look for loopholes or from different angles but the truth is still the truth. I look forward to reading and commenting on your posts.
Be well!
@buenavida (9984)
• Sweden
6 Dec 15
How could a loving God torture anyone forever..?? There are many misunderstandings about this, as some translators have not been consistent, as they have mixed the meaning of the original words. Here is a deeper research that I found:
This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
27 Sep 15
@vandana7 How can you always do everything Good...That is not going to happen. we are all sinners....that is why God gave us all a free gift of salvation...
The one thing God asks us all for is to believe.. You can not earn your salvation...you have to accept it....
All babies go to Heaven....If they die before they reach the age of understanding.
Being Baptized with water is a public statement saying that you have accepted Christ as your Savior...that you believe in what he did on the cross....you are not saved by being baptized...You get water baptized because you are saved...
When you accept Jesus Christ you are baptized by the Holy spirit... it joins us to the body of Christ,
Why they Baptize babies i do not know...because when someone is baptized they have to speak for themselves...babies can not do this...
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@joanreyes00 (43)
• Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
27 Sep 15
wuooooooooooooooo, i am speechless
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
27 Sep 15
If love is god, then he can't be that punitive. You have your kids. Can you kill them? Unless they are really really bad, you wouldn't. So stop getting scared of god. Think of him as somebody equal to parents, and more constant. The relationship can be fun too.
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
7 Dec 15
@dlr297 ..when parents have other desires and children become hindrance to fulfillment of those materialistic desires..yes, they kill. But which materialistic desire of god that god can't fulfill are we talking about? :) If you say god can't manage his children, and has to keep up with other peers you admit that there are more gods and you declare god to be incapable of somethings. I on the other hand think he is capable of EVERYTHING, so he does not have those desires and consequently, no frustration.
@Surinamstar27 (315)
• Mumbai, India
27 Sep 15
You will be in hell for a period conforming to the severity of your sins. Once your punishment becomes equal to the volume of your sins, you are released. Then you will be born again. This is the case with heaven also. Both are not permanent places. This is based on the Vedanta theory of India.
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@xander6464 (44177)
• Wapello, Iowa
27 Sep 15
Hell doesn't make sense on any level. It's certainly not something an all knowing God would do.
@BACONSTRIPSXXX (14351)
• West Haven, Connecticut
30 Sep 15
I beleive it exists! Especially here in DR where alot of people beleive in santeria and mess with witch craft!
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@HebrewGreekStudies (1646)
• Canada
11 Nov 15
Hell is just the concept of Divine Justice. And in an unjust world that is not a bad thing. Contrary to what some are saying here, yes, the Bible does talk about it, and no the Catholic Church did not create it. Nor are Christians the only ones who believe in it.
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@HebrewGreekStudies (1646)
• Canada
6 Dec 15
@totobasso there are many Scriptures which talk about it, it is in the plain reading of the text-like the visable return of Christ.
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@totobasso (331)
• Canada
7 Dec 15
@HebrewGreekStudies I don't understand. What does visible return of Christ have to do with "hell"? Give your clearest Scripture on "hell"?
@rosekiss (30414)
• Eugene, Oregon
27 Sep 15
As far as hell is concerned, it is real, but there is no hell yet, as that is reserved for Satan and his angels, although there will be others that are lost and will have to burn up in hellfire, which won't exist until after the millenium when theholy city comes down from heaven, and all the wicked try to take it over. God will then cause fire to come down and burn them up. Satan will burn the longest as he is punsihed for the evil he displayed on this earth.
@joylol (148)
• Austin, Texas
27 Sep 15
Great topic to discuss! ^_^ I do believe in Hell. God is referred to as a Father in the Bible. We can compare Him to a parent that cares very much for your safety but just like how your parents punish you when you do wrong God is no different.
You reap what you sow. If a parent cared very much for her son but he became a murderer, she would still love him but she also recognizes that he has to be sealed away from hurting others. She doesn't want it and thats why she gave commands to warn her son from living a bad life just like how God gives us commands as warnings to stop us from living a bad life.
If somebody did wrong to someone else or to you, you would say they'll get whats coming to them. Hell is for those committing evil acts. In the Bible, Isaiah 57:1 reads, " The righteous perish, and no one ponders in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil." Heaven is for the righteous and Hell is for the wicked. Although your point of view is very understandable and shows how big of a mind you have to actually question this. That's good. Great minds are the foundational peak of curiosity which bridge into imagination.
But this life compared to the after life where Hell and Heaven exist is a chance to change who we are and in the end, God loves us enough to give us freedom of choice to accept His judgement and fairness or not accept it. ^_^
@TypicalRussian (747)
• Budennovsk, Russian Federation
27 Sep 15
You can establish hell in your head or in your life Read Dante about 9 circles of Hell
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