How do you deal with people who owe you money?

@TheHorse (218846)
Walnut Creek, California
October 26, 2015 3:24pm CST
In my "real" jobs, I'm paid regularly and on-time. My paychecks go directly into my bank account, and I am happy. Even when we play music, payment is immediate, and in cash. Cash is good. When I refinish loudspeakers for others, I'm generally paid when the owner picks up their speakers. I only accept cash, except in the case of repeat "customers" I've known for awhile. But there's one fella who owes me about $700, and he's not like most people I work for. I wrote some advertising copy for him, did some business consulting for him at a reduced rate, refinished some speakers and receiver cabinets for him, and basically said, "Eh, pay me later. There's more work to be done. I don't need the money right now." Big mistake. He's taken advantage of my kindness and more or less "gone into hiding." He doesn't return my emails or phone calls. If I visit his shop (50 miles away), he's "delighted to see me" and wants to take me out to lunch. But he's having trouble with his PayPal account that day. I don't want to dine with him. I am not his friend. I want him to pay me the money he owes me. What would you do next?
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
26 Oct 15
Tell him you're going to set up a payment plan for him, then do it. Send him a bill with the first amount as well as the total and save a copy for yourself. If that fails, you can take him to small claims court (if you're in the USA).
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@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
26 Oct 15
Sending him a bill with a payment plan sounds like a good idea. But I think he'd ignore it. Or claim that "this is a bad month" and then forget about it until the next one comes.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
27 Oct 15
@TheHorse Could be. It might be worth a try, but you know him and I don't.
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@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
@peavey I'm thankful for all the advice. I sure hope I don't have to take him to court, as that would be time-consuming and emotionally involving. This is supposed to be a relaxing hobby!
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@topffer (42156)
• France
26 Oct 15
Not sure. The debt is too little to sue him actually. You should send him the bill if it is not yet done, and add on it an interest and a monthly penalty for delayed payment, and see if he moves. If he does not pay, you will have to sue him soon or later to be able to ask a bailiff/bill collector/whatever the name in your place/ to recover your money. If he owns a shop, you will get your money back, or at least a part of it (a bailiff would take about $300 here to recover this $700 amount : it is a fixed wage, whatever the debt. If you need a lawyer to go in court, forget this debt).
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@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
Small Claims Court would work--no lawyers involved. But it's just not worth it to me at this time.
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• United States
28 Oct 15
Hello! When if comes to dealing 28th people w/o owe me money I try to always be understanding to the individuals situation. I am very patient but if I start to feel as though i am getting the run around I speak up and make it very clear that if the money is hot paid back it can potentially put a damper in our relarionship. Now that is when dealing with outsiders. When I say outsiders I mean people who are no blood relation to me. My family I usually just chop it up as a lost.
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@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Oct 15
I think I'm pretty much the same way--patient but trying not to be taken advantage of.
• United States
27 Oct 15
I don't lend anyone money - never did, never will.
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• United States
27 Oct 15
@TheHorse Things happen. I also don't borrow money for any reason.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
I have in the past, but I stopped years ago. I didn't intend for this to turn into a loan--it just turned out that way.
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@vickyrose (2235)
• Cooma, Australia
28 Oct 15
I don't lend money anymore too, because of a similar experience. If they borrow money, I say No, or just give them $5 and they can have it and don't need to pay me back.
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@garymarsh6 (23404)
• United Kingdom
26 Oct 15
Yes of course you could shoot him but alternatively shoot from the hip and take him to the small claims court if you have such a thing in the USA? You should give him ten days notice to pay up or you will start proceedings to reclaim money owed to you for work you have done for him. You should get it sorted quite quickly.
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@garymarsh6 (23404)
• United Kingdom
26 Oct 15
@TheHorse Hmm whats the point of it then! How daft!
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@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
26 Oct 15
@garymarsh6 If they're an employee, it IS posible to...what's the word...garnish their wages? But this guy is "self-employed."
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
26 Oct 15
We do have small claims courts in the US. They have to power to render a decision, but not power as far as collecting goes.
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@Missmwngi (12915)
• Nairobi, Kenya
26 Oct 15
I must admit i am so poor when it comes to this issue. It really really hurts when someone decide to keep money that you have worked for
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@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
26 Oct 15
People are incredibly diverse when it comes to honesty and integrity. It kind of hurts. It kind of frustrates. I'm not sure if it makes me angry. Probably so.
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@Missmwngi (12915)
• Nairobi, Kenya
27 Oct 15
@TheHorse We might be different but this type really annoys me lol sorry to say
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
@Missmwngi I think it's safe to say it annoys me too, or I wouldn't have written about it!
@jugsjugs (12967)
27 Oct 15
People have owed me money in the past... Not a good idea to trust the people that you have known years if you ask me, Ive been dooped like that in the past. I would be straight to the point the next time you see the person, explain that you need the money, thats all I did, mind you I only got half the amount back, but had I not had told them straight, then I would not have even got half back. Good luck in trying to get your money.
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@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
It's the ignoring that's so insulting. Truth is, I don't "need" the money right now. Emotionally, it's disheartening to have devoted so much energy to something that's not productive. If his business were doing well, I'd be more angry and less sad.
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• Preston, England
27 Oct 15
I rarely have money owing from non-employers or benefit agencies and they usually pay on time
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Oct 15
This is he only person who owes me that kind of money.
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@else34 (13515)
• New Delhi, India
27 Oct 15
@TheHorse,I never lend money to those who I don't trust,in the first place.And those who had borrowed money from me have already returned their debt in time.
• Philippines
27 Oct 15
@TheHorse that's new to me.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Oct 15
@hereandthere Put a frog in a pot of water. Turn it to boil. He'll jump out. Put him in a pot of water and gradually increase the temperature to a boil over hours, and he'll sit there and be a boiled frog. I never intended for this guy to owe me that much. I knew he was shady from the beginning. But I let myself be that frog.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
The was kind of like "frog in a pot of water," if you know that analogy.
@LadyDuck (471500)
• Switzerland
28 Oct 15
Do you send him a bill asking to pay you the $700 he owes? If you have no proof, send him a letter saying that you are still waiting for the $900 he owes, it is possible that at least he replies that you wrote the wrong amount. It's a start to sue him.
@LadyDuck (471500)
• Switzerland
30 Oct 15
@TheHorse Be creative and ask him a little more, so you can negotiate.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
29 Oct 15
We haven't kept records that accurately!
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@rakski (122983)
• Philippines
28 Oct 15
if its is a new customers, maybe you should ask for cash once work is done.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Oct 15
That's what I've generally done over the years, and I've had no problems.
@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
29 Oct 15
I fear that money's gone for good. Don't give him any more or do anything more for him.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Oct 15
Yeah, with one small exception, I've stopped doing work for him.
@vickyrose (2235)
• Cooma, Australia
28 Oct 15
I'd ask him to pay what he owes me, maybe not in full but for what he can afford. A debt is a debt.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Oct 15
I've actually done that a few times.
@dianadee (1778)
• South Africa
27 Oct 15
The more you run after the people that owe you money the more they duck and dive!
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Oct 15
@dianadee Most of the people I deal with are responsible types. This person is different. I'll try to get out with some of what I'm owed.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Oct 15
This guy is "duck and dive" no matter what you do. He claims he has "adult ADD," and I believe him, but I think he also uses it as an excuse to be irresponsible.
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@dianadee (1778)
• South Africa
28 Oct 15
@TheHorse People forget that it is easy to borrow and use money, but not so easy to pay it back!
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
27 Oct 15
I would take him to small claims court as its too small for a big s uit but there he moi ght wake up and realize you want your money, not to be wined and dined and put off being paid. Yui will undoubtedfly win the cl aim and proid him if nothing else into paying you. He will see He has lost a friend over this.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
He has also lost a "colleague" in the sense that I would never recommend his "business" to anyone.
@lady1993 (27224)
• Philippines
27 Oct 15
he owes you a lot maybe you can just be direct but also nice and ask him about the money.. say you need it to pay emergency bills.. like hospital bills? or tuition... hopefully he'd feel guilty
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
I wouldn't tell a fib...or would I? I told him to put it in my PalPal because I am buying some speaker refinishing supplies using PayPal (true). But I actually have enough in PayPal to cover what I'm buying.
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@amnabas (14117)
• Karachi, Pakistan
26 Oct 15
You should ask him politely until you get paid.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
26 Oct 15
That's what I've done so far. It has not worked.
• United States
27 Oct 15
take 'im out back'f his place 'n beat the tar outta him if'n ya got written proof'f what he owes, sure ya can take 'im to small claims court. minus all the fees involved 'n IF he actually pays whats owed, ya might break e'en (takin' into 'ccount'cher time). i've'd the displeasure 'f folks like that. one'f the horses here came from such'n ordeal. the others? i jest wrote it off 's somethin' to remember. noperz, i'd not break bread with that scoundrel neither. he's fool'f hooey!
@Sainac (16)
• Pakistan
28 Oct 15
We need to be careful before we lending or borrowing. But more conscious before lending. Because we don't know what actually is going on in others people's mind. I am sorry to know what happened with you. But I hope you will catch him and he will return it.
@nanette64 (20364)
• Fairfield, Texas
27 Oct 15
Give him a 10-day notice that you will be taking him to small claims court @TheHorse .
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
28 Oct 15
It may come to that.
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• Shreveport, Louisiana
27 Oct 15
You could always go by prison rules, he pays or you own him. Joking of course, but you could always go with the payment plan thing I saw someone else comment about.
@TheHorse (218846)
• Walnut Creek, California
27 Oct 15
The thought of him as my butt buddy or even him serving me food or cleaning my cell...er...house is pretty horrifying to me!
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