A Message from the Grinch!

@owlwings (43910)
Cambridge, England
November 10, 2015 2:17am CST
Wishing everyone a happy holiday, whether it's Diwali, Hannukah, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year, Easter or whatever, is friendly and all very well but, on its own, it doesn't make for a discussion. The Guidelines say that we shouldn't: Post "personal milestones such as birthdays, anniversaries, etc.." or "Discussions, responses or comments that offer little or no value." By all means, let's have wishes of peace, goodwill and hopes for an enjoyable time but please give us the opportunity to reply with more than just "Same to you!" or the bare details of what you plan to do for the holidays! What do you think? How can we be a little inventive in writing discussions so that they actually BECOME discussions? Thanks to @else34 (Jaishankar) for an excellent example of how it can be done!
Today is Diwali.The festival of light,bliss,abundance and fulfilment.Now when I am typing these lines,there is charm everywhere around me.Everyone is decorating...
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
10 Nov 15
There are ways to write about your birthday, anniversary, etc., without making it a post just to say "It's my birthday!" and I have seen people write discussions that mention those things but have more substance to them. I wouldn't write about my birthday anyway. I even took it off Facebook so no one would be sending me obligatory Facebook greetings.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
11 Nov 15
I thought it would be good to give an example of good practice and, by great fortune, I've found one and have included the link.
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@marlina (154131)
• Canada
15 Nov 15
@owlwings And I did check the link and you are right, it was done very well.
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@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
10 Nov 15
This reminds me very much of my school days. My English teacher had a habit of setting us the task of either writing an article contradicting what we genuinely believe or writing one about a mundane or abstract topic. It constituted excellent tutoring because it enabled us to present simple statements as respectable presentations.
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@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
10 Nov 15
@owlwings The level of many conversations qualifies as abysmal, which has become so prolific and commonplace that people do not tend to even notice these days. I hate text message abbreviations for the same reason. The command of English grammar and spelling are poor enough without offering the youth an alternative in order to avoid using our language correctly.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
That sounds an excellent exercise! (I bet some people threw up their hands in dismay!) It occurs to me that I have never heard of kids being taught how to start and maintain a good conversation or discussion. Certainly some people don't seem to have much of a clue, though part of that may be to do with a lack of English. I wonder what their conversations are like in real life.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
10 Nov 15
One way to make it a discussion could be to write briefly about the importance of a festival so that other users who are not aware of a particular festival could come to know about it. In addition, it could also be asked whether that particular festival is also celebrated in their area(s) and if they say yes, we could further ask - how it is celebrated.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
I have seen some people do that and have both learned a lot from them and seen them become quite long and interesting discussions. I believe, for example, that Diwali is celebrated in different ways in different parts of India and also for different reasons by Hindus, Jains, Sikhs and Buddhists (though the row of lights seems to be commonly understood and used).
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
10 Nov 15
@owlwings I agree with you what you have stated about interesting discussions about different festivals. Yes, you are right about celebrations of Diwali by different religious groups. India is such a vast country that Diwali is celebrated in different ways in Northern States and Southern States of India. It's also celebrated in some Asian countries but in a different way.
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@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
10 Nov 15
Just as what @PhredWreck said , it's also my suggestions that out of the milestone create something that can be discussed further .
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@yalul070 (1713)
• Manila, Philippines
10 Nov 15
come to think of it, aside from my being overwhelmed by joining this site...i've got no idea to start a real discussion
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
10 Nov 15
You could start a discussion keeping in view your day to day happenings, that could be the simplest way to start a post.
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@yalul070 (1713)
• Manila, Philippines
10 Nov 15
@dpk262006 thanks for the advice. yeah, i'm just thinking of a topic that many people can relate to.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
10 Nov 15
@yalul070 - You are always welcome. You need not stress your mind too much about a topic for discussion, you could start a discussion on any topic of your choice. Also, please do not bother about the number of responses you are going to receive, the number of responses vary from discussion to discussion and it also depends on number of other factors, which are beyond your control.
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@LadyDuck (470652)
• Switzerland
10 Nov 15
I just left a comment to @PhredWreck about the problem of birthday discussions. Yesterday they were proliferating. I saw one user politely remembering that it's against the guidelines and the suggestion was not appreciated. Thanks for this post, I hope that many are going to read it.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
11 Nov 15
I have just edited the discussion and added a link to a very good example of how it can be done.
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• China
9 Dec 15
Posts on personal milestones are soft options without tasking their mind.As far as I am concerned ,I love reading posts seasoned with wit,even though some of them are too much for me to understand .
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@wetnosedogs (1533)
• United States
10 Nov 15
Well. now you got me wondering how many no-no's I've done and how do i get on the right track.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
Less than you imagine, I'm sure. The 'right track' is clearly laid out in the Guidelines.
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@gudheart (12659)
10 Nov 15
I am aware of this. However I think they can become discussions depending on how the discussion about the celebration is started.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
11 Nov 15
Do you think that the link I've now added to the discussion is a good example?
@Jessicalynnt (50523)
• Centralia, Missouri
10 Nov 15
I have a feeling a birthday could be ok, as long as it was also a reflection of other birthdays, or a call to talk about the differences in different cultural birthdays
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
It's always possible to make that sort of information into a discussion, of course, so long as it's clear that the main subject of the discussion is more than just 'birthday wishes'.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
10 Nov 15
I guess at Christmas time the site could get a bit overwhelmed with such posts and that's what they are trying to avoid.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
It can, indeed! It seems something of a shame that they have to be deleted but MyLot is not really like Facebook and a discussion topic does have to inspire discussion. Even the very simplest question, like "What do you think about peace?" has more 'meat' to it than "Happy Christmas, everybody!".
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
@boiboing A discussion topic is not 'worthless' simply because it gives no information. The question cannot be answered with 'yes' or 'no' and it is not asking for a simple choice between two (or more) things, therefore it isn't a 'poll type' question. If YOU cannot write at least a couple of paragraphs about what you think about peace (or peas, for that matter), then it may be 'worthless' to you. The point is that, potentially, the question might be answered at length and could lead to a useful discussion (whether the person who asked it is capable of continuing the discussion is quite another matter). Don't forget that this isn't Bubblews. You don't have to post a minimum of 100 words and that, even though rather more explanation and introduction may be desirable and may lead to a more directed discussion on a particular aspect of peace, the bald question, nevertheless, has some value and I'm fairly sure that Alex would consider it to be within the Guidelines.
@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
10 Nov 15
@owlwings Sorry but 'What do you think about peace?' is absolutely worthless in my opinion. They might as well ask "What do you think about peas?"
@NeldaHoxie (1381)
• United States
10 Nov 15
There are so many things to write about, why push the boundaries on a topic that MyLot doesn't want to encourage. I think they want to avoid, hundreds of Happy Birthday comments etc. I ignore those posts and don't participate in them when I do see them.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
Absolutely!
@destry (2572)
• Kirkwall, Scotland
10 Nov 15
"May I wish you a happy Christmas" seen that discussion already (and it's only Nov). . . I do hope that these posts arn't going to be posted by every single person. Could the admins make a sticky discussion at the top of Top rated / hot where people can just shove in their mindless festive good cheer?
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
10 Nov 15
Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible to make discussions 'sticky'.
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@poehere (15123)
• French Polynesia
10 Nov 15
I think if a person wrote about some sort of tradition they had for a birthday, or other holiday this might be of a lot of interest to people. An overall tradition that is done in their home or country to celebrate a birthday or holiday this is very unique and can strike up a great conversation. My English tutor ripped up more of my papers than I care to say. I thought I had done an excellent job on them and had improved. She said they were well written but showed no feeling or emotions for the subject I wrote about. She tried to explain to me if you want to write you need to do this with feelings so others can feel what you have felt. Maybe this is a good idea for people to consider when they write here. Make people understand and feel what you're feeling when you write a discussion for the site. This adds some emotion to the subject and draws people in to the subject matter. I know guide and how to preform some maintenance on a computer isn't so wonderful it is more informative. Informative posts are good to teach people about something they had no idea about or to introduce them to a new idea. Now I like these too.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
11 Nov 15
I think that you put a great deal of yourself and your personality into what you write here and your feelings about the subject often show through. Do you think that the link I've added to the discussion is a good example of how a 'milestone' may be legitimately celebrated here and how someone's involvement with and excitement about it can be conveyed, even though the writer nowhere explicitly mentions his/her feelings?
@poehere (15123)
• French Polynesia
11 Nov 15
@owlwings That was an excellent post on the site. It was about a celebration yes, but he put so much more into it. He explained about the festival and made people see what he was seeing. He added a lot of feeling to his post and it showed a love and and excitement for this festival. He really made you feel like you were there seeing what people were seeing. He added joy, happiness, and a form of excitement to his writing. He made you feel like you wanted to be there and see it all. Yes I agree this is a great example of how a person can celebrate a milestone or an important event.
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• Preston, England
12 Nov 15
I have a whole four months of being 53 left to go before I turn 54 and I aim to enjoy every one of them
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@DeborahDiane (40277)
• Laguna Woods, California
11 Nov 15
I do try to post conversations that are interesting and, when I can, include photos so someone has something to actually talk about. I hope everyone is enjoying their winter holidays, no matter what they are.
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@just4him (317004)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
11 Nov 15
I think that if you include your plans for the holiday it becomes more of a discussion, especially when you include others and what their plans are.
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• Canada
14 Nov 15
I think somewhat as you did with closing with a question. As well perhaps with contour within a post-an added detail, even without a question the natural flow of a post can invite thought which may lead to discussion by simple sharing of thought. But I think the main thing is, a correct focus of intent and context of the site's purpose...that alone kind of will be or what will not be what gives natural flow to the nature of interaction.
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• Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
11 Nov 15
I agree! For Christmas Day, we will go to my grandmother's house, eat and play games all day! We open gifts with my other family members. Christmas is my favorite time of year! :)
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@cindiowens (5120)
• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
14 Nov 15
I will do my best to keep this in mind. A discussion has to have sustenance and substance in order to be a discussion at all.
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