It's a free world (allegedly) so stop trying to silence MyLot members who don't agree with you.

@boiboing (13153)
Northampton, England
November 14, 2015 10:35am CST
There are a minority of members on MyLot who seem to think they’re entitled to dictate who can and who can’t have an opinion on certain types of posts. MyLot is a very international site with members from all over the world. No post is likely to make sense (or to appeal) to every member but some members do seem to want to restrict WHO can respond to certain types of posts and to be exceedingly rude to those who don’t meet their qualifying criteria. Let’s take the issue of the US presidential elections and the current jockeying for position of the various candidates. Another issue we non Americans aren’t supposed to have an opinion on is gun control. Apparently anyone who doesn’t live in the USA should keep their stupid mouths shut because they don’t know anything about what’s going on. OK, I’m paraphrasing but that’s the gist of the message. What some in the US may not be aware of is that the rest of us all over the world – whether we like it or not, and most of us don’t like it much – are dragged into the issue of your elections. Firstly our media coverage is pretty much non-stop. We don’t get a vote but believe me, we’ve been bored silly for a long time with the childish behaviour of some of the candidates. We are not commenting in a vacuum because the world’s media are obsessed with your elections. The other thing to keep in mind is that US citizens have a vote – the rest of us don’t, but we still know that we’ll suffer the fall-out of any bad choices taken by the US electorate. The old expression ‘America sneezes and the world gets a cold’ has never been more true than it is today. Some of us – many of us – have seen our countries dragged into wars we wanted no part of in order to back up one Bush or another. Most of us have seen our economies dragged down by financial crises that started in the USA and had a tsunami-like impact around the world. The American president is not just the guy (or gal) who runs America – they’re the person whose actions can impact the lives of people all over the world. It stands to reason that person should not be out-spokenly racist or moronically stupid. So next time you want to have a go at non Americans for having an opinion on big ‘American’ issues like elections and gun control, remember this is an international site and not your own private club with heavily armed guards on the door to keep the riff-raff out. We may not know as much as you do on the topics, but our opinions are our opinions and you’re not entitled to decide if they are right or wrong.
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@cindiowens (5120)
• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
14 Nov 15
I live in the US, and I can tell you first hand, that there are a lot of people who are not US citizens that know a lot more about what is going on here (US) than some of its (US) citizens.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
Thank you Cynthia - I should absolutely stress that my rant is not targeted at Americans in general - only the ones who think that nobody else is allowed to have a point of view.
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• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
14 Nov 15
@boiboing Then those same people should not be allowed to express their views on other countries, right? Only fair.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
@cindiowens No, I'd have to disagree. If I agreed, I'd be as bad as them. We'd just end up with a whole host of little cliques that only commented on each other's posts. Let the country-club folk pontificate all they like. Then we can see just how clever they are.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
14 Nov 15
I don't mind if people want to post about US elections or issues, but I do object to someone from another country who posts discussion after discussion about how stupid Americans are. I am quite sure that would be more objectionable to more people if the word "Americans" were replaced with any other nationality. I have opinions on many issues in the UK and other countries, but I usually preface my opinion with a statement that acknowledges that it is not my decision to make and I never try to degrade or insult people of another nationality. So, perhaps there are people like those you write about in your discussion, but there are also those like the ones I have written about in my comment. Everyone can have an opinion, but it would be nice if they stopped short of being insulting.
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• Preston, England
15 Nov 15
@Rollo1 there is a difference between criticism and racism that many fail to see in discussing international politics as they make sweeping generalizations based on nothing - fortunately those writing on here have more sense
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• United States
18 Nov 15
I'm used to people having very strong opinions about people in the US. Many outsiders don't realize how diverse we are as a people and how different our individual states and regions differ.
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@Auntylou (4264)
• Oxford, England
15 Nov 15
You are right that such language is unacceptable
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• United States
14 Nov 15
To be fair, most Americans do not want to be dragged into these wars, either. One of the things that I like best about myLot is the fact that we can get to know and be friends with people from all over the world. I love the fact that I can discuss and find out how other people and other countries feel about and handle different situations and circumstances. I think that it is good to see things from different perspectives, and I enjoy hearing other people's views on things. I have learned quite a bit from my friends on here, and I am sorry that a handful of people make it difficult on the majority of people.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
Excellent comment. Thankfully these things are few and far between. You also make a very valid point that the decisions of a government are not the decisions of the entire population.
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• Preston, England
14 Nov 15
Anyone has a right to disagree or challenge anyone else's ideas and thinking locally, nationally or internationally - it is what makes us human
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• Preston, England
14 Nov 15
@boiboing don't you criticize / my god, boss, dad, religion / is bigger than yours! fingers jammed in ears / la la la la la la la / but I still hear truth
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• Centralia, Missouri
14 Nov 15
@boiboing Haiku to go, I like this!
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
Can you write me a haiku on the topic?
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@MALUSE (69373)
• Germany
14 Nov 15
I haven't come across anybody like that but have no problems imagining them. I can also imagine them not finding any other country besides the USA on a map of the world.
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• United States
14 Nov 15
Unfortunately, I have also seen people bashing Americans and saying that we are all ignorant and loud. There is ignorance and intolerance in every country, race, religion, etc. I would love to see more acceptance, especially when it is so easy these days to reach out and communicate with others around the world.
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• United States
14 Nov 15
@boiboing Yes I have, which is why I mentioned it here. There was more of it before when myLot was paying a few years ago, but I have also seen it since myLot has come back, although not as much yet.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
@purplealabaster Have you seen that here on MyLot?
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@garymarsh6 (23404)
• United Kingdom
15 Nov 15
There is no need for anyone to insult others whether it be personal or otherwise. I have to agree with what you are saying but l would never belittle myself by being rude neither would l attack someone else's views. I may not always agree with them but l would hope those who l enjoy reading probably have the same morals and ideals as we do!
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
15 Nov 15
@garymarsh6 There are times when you have to tell someone s/he is wrong, if for no other reason than for their own sake. Obviously, you can do so without name-calling or insults, but the simple statement, "This is wrong" is sometimes a kindness.
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@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
15 Nov 15
I learned a long time ago to stay away from certain discussions on Mylot, because you will get people like that. I try to avoid political and religious topics if I can help it.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
16 Nov 15
@Missmwngi The best way to frustrate someone who wants a fight is to not give them one.
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@Missmwngi (12915)
• Nairobi, Kenya
16 Nov 15
There are times i also love to shut my mouth
@Missmwngi (12915)
• Nairobi, Kenya
16 Nov 15
@boiboing You are right my friend. Silent can solve such things
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@SIMPLYD (90722)
• Philippines
15 Nov 15
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions here . And this is not a site where there will be a winner in every discussion .
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@jstory07 (139503)
• Roseburg, Oregon
14 Nov 15
I live in the USA and I have traveled around the world. People are the same everywhere. Everyone has opinions and they have the right to express how they feel.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
Thank you Judy.
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@valmnz (17097)
• New Zealand
14 Nov 15
It would be interesting to know how many non American citizens are currently using this site.
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@valmnz (17097)
• New Zealand
14 Nov 15
@boiboing do you think so? I know there are quite a few, but I guess there are so many more I've yet to meet. As far as I'm aware there are only two of us from NZ but there are several from Australia.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
Yes, it would. I'd guess (and really only a guess) that there are slightly more non-Americans.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
@valmnz There are a lot from the Philippines and India in particular. Perhaps your time zones don't bring you into so much exposure with those regions. I'm sure there are parts of the world I miss due to the clock effects.
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@Drosophila (16571)
• Ireland
14 Nov 15
I've had a run-in yesterday with such an individual. As it turns out, he was unable to form a logical, rational, and respectful counter argument to a post he disagreed with. He ended up resorting to what I considered to be personal attacks instead. The golden-line he brandished around was "you don't know what you're on about, because you ain't born there.." That is on par with saying "I can't post a review for Fridges on Amazon, because I am not a Fridge myself"..Or "I don't know anything about Fridges, because I wasn't born as a Fridge!" I quickly extracted myself from this type of weird logic.. it's simply a waste of time! What he didn't realise is, as an advocate for his beloved candidate, he succeeded in driving people away instead..
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@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
15 Nov 15
There be a few Irish folks born there the last time me checked.
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@Drosophila (16571)
• Ireland
15 Nov 15
@Bluedoll I guess that didn't fall into the consideration of my esteemed comrade. I'm sure he is 100% local with no foreign ancestry whatsoever.
@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
14 Nov 15
I can only guess we may be talking about the same person.
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@Jessicalynnt (50523)
• Centralia, Missouri
14 Nov 15
I have to wonder why they cover our elections that deeply I would be curious, but not that interested if I lived elsewhere.
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• Centralia, Missouri
15 Nov 15
@boiboing so light coverage, but coverage that deep? Meh! lol
@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
15 Nov 15
Curious but not that interested is a good summing up. But the media knows that the choice of president has global impact.
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@bookbar (1609)
• Sudbury, England
15 Nov 15
Super and meaningful post, I too have noticed that some like to close the door on outsiders opinion, like we all live in a vacuum... and many do need to accept this IS a discussion site, where everyone is invited to add their twopennyworth, whether you like it or not, and villifying others for their opinions or posts, is not in the scheme of things...
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@norcal (4889)
• Franklinton, North Carolina
15 Nov 15
Well, I'm sure we Americans have opinions on everything, so why should we think anyone else shouldn't express their's.
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• Eugene, Oregon
15 Nov 15
Sounds reasonable to me.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
15 Nov 15
haha, that is a strong message. US is notorious for having a say in everything. See all the words passed through the mouths of US politicians to China, and other countries. Whether China has democracy or not is none of US business, yet every politician has to say something about it. Yet they do not allow anyone to have an opinion about their system.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
15 Nov 15
@boiboing That is the typical attitude of the politicians. Perhaps they want to get the voters approval so they have to criticize the lack of democracy or human rights or anything else. Sometimes it takes up a few pages of the newspapers! I think most people are more concerned with the cost of living than about politics, especially the politics of other countries.
@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
15 Nov 15
That's a bit harsh. The vast majority of American MyLot members are not like that and the purpose of my discussion is not to criticise that majority or their president or government.
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@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
15 Nov 15
Sometimes I will cross the parliamentary floor to the opposition and disagree. It is not a free world because in the international community their exists countries that do not share those "free" beliefs when it comes to human rights.
@Bluedoll (16773)
• Canada
15 Nov 15
@boiboing I know what you meant but I'm being the opposition in this thread remember. MyLot world isn't free either. It is a dictatorship. All websites are because they can if they choose, delete posts, delete people OMG we can be deleted what a terrible thought! Fortunately for members myLot is very considerate of it's community and allows members to freely discuss anything but only asks that people be nice to each other. Actually it is written in the guidelines differently than that but anyway yes I am correct. I am always correct, no that is not true, I am always learning, stepping up to the microphone and changing my viewpoint. Something like running a good political campaign? But I know what you are talking about, freedom does mean expressing and listening to those that express. Communication.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
15 Nov 15
@Bluedoll Time for your afternoon medication and a nap....
@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
15 Nov 15
I was thinking more of the MyLot world than the strictly geographical world but you are of course correct.
@cherigucchi (14876)
• Philippines
15 Nov 15
Yiu have a point here, a very strong point and I hope that this is loud and clear to everyone
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@sofssu (23662)
15 Nov 15
Well said, actually we have an unbiased opinion on the happenings in America because we not only follow the news but we can also stand apart and looking at things from from an Rational point of view. However, if a topic is open for discussion. its an open invitation to everyone to air their views.
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@sofssu (23662)
15 Nov 15
@boiboing Thanks for clarifying that.
@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
15 Nov 15
I should stress that the person who started the discussion that prompted this was entirely fair about what people thought. It was another commenter who made himself the self-appointed assessor of who was or was not entitled to an opinion.
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@gudheart (12659)
18 Nov 15
Well said!! As long as it does not offend too many people personally though.
@dorianna (509)
• United States
15 Nov 15
I am from the U.S. but I appreciate all opinions. I might tell someone I do not agree with their opinion, as we all have our own viewpoints but I welcome the views of all people as long as it is given with respect. As an American, I regret if anyone made you feel like your opinion was unacceptable. I am very different, a loner and non-traditional. My opinions are often way out there compared to the normal thinking so, even though I am an American, I also suffer the chance that individuals prefer I do not express it. I welcome your opinion on any of my posts as long as it is a healthy debate. We should never be so close-minded that we cannot appreciate another point of view. That is what makes life and myLot interesting.