My name is Paul and I am not your Pal!
By hora_fugit
@hora_fugit (5862)
India
November 15, 2015 4:35am CST
This stems from the words penned by @PhredWreck and @owlwings ... mainly.
In my early college days, there used to be a class on communication skill or something like that. There we were warned about being 'Indian' with foreigners..
Here we are eager to accord a friendly or familiar term even to a stranger - If a boy is lost, he will go to the nearest man and ask, "Uncle, could you please help me.."
So my professor told, never try it with a foreigner (read westerner) - whether a guest or host. They resent it. A sir/madam is more appropriate. Cultural difference, you see.
Even the friend of Hagar the Horrible was beaten blue for committing this blunder...
I learned it by rot and now apply this even with my co-patriots. Safer.
Then I see what @owlwings said about his acquaintance with someone calling him grandpa ... he seemed comfortable with (maybe even liked) it.
Now I am confused. Is it exclusively a US phenomenon, or staying so long with us has rubbed on the UK people? lol
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@vandana7 (100604)
• India
15 Nov 15
I was a bit surprised when Grandpalash (I can never forget him), who is an Australian stood up for me against a fellow Indian. I too thought they do not show their age, and his username did. Well, any form of address that indicates age disparity between one person and the other is not a nice thing. In general, I would say nobody likes to be told you are old, irrespective of culture, gender, hair color or lack of it, wrinkles, glasses, and leg pains. lol. Seriously! My father can blow his top if I tell him not to lift somethings. lol. So uncle or not, grandpa or not, Owlwings is indulging whoever is calling him that. Frankly, I never thought Lamby was closer to my age..though his photographs are up there. I mean, in general, westerners are taller, and I put him nearer to 45 or so. And Owlwings a grandpa? That is well, a mystery solved. lol. I wouldn't have guessed his age too. I think it is better to keep others guessing the age. It can be fun. lol. Because owlwings is so knowledgeable about computers, hardware and software, I would have placed him also near about 45 because I can't believe many from previous generation know much about such things. We simply didn't have access to such things, did we? lol. But he could be a young grandpa too?
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
Nah... i feel more comfortable with 'grandpas' then the 'buddies' lol And think they are more graceful :)) So you have to hide your age explicitly if you are near me.
Maybe I too would dislike it when I reach that age...for now, the idea seems pleasing to me.
Yes, he knows a lot. Must be a Benjamin Button grandpa!
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
@vandana7 Hmm.... only time I felt strange was when a man twice my age called me as an uncle! lol He was directing his little one to 'make the way for uncles' (me being one, other even younger) This was funny! I thought Oh now I have reached the uncle age... But to think of it, when that little child turns my present age, I won't mind being uncle to him. Time does that...
Aging is a beautiful phenomenon. I will try not to be so defensive about it.
Addendum: Younger generation is very rude though. Uncle sounds respectful, so they started using "uncle ji [type]"... say, is it so necessary to be unruly?
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@vandana7 (100604)
• India
15 Nov 15
@hora_fugit ..In general it is strange but there were instances when some youngsters called dad uncle ..long ago, and dad was fuming. lol. So I can't exactly say it is our culture or their culture. I have a neighbor here, who is just about a couple of years older than me, he called me this morning and said I am Bhanoji rao uncle calling..yikes..made me feel terrible. lol. So to put things in perspective, I had to hint..in some other way...you have been kind like a brother to me..type. 6 years age difference does not make him my uncle for god's sake..lol
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@allknowing (137822)
• India
15 Nov 15
Cultural differences do take a toll but as they say once bitten is twice shy in that if one knows that different countries have different ways to address people then one should learn to do it. As for me I do not like the concept of strangers being addressed as uncle or aunt.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
I am liberal with having uncles but not aunts. Need to probe the reason. lol
Not bitten so far, but already started using sir... peril doesn't end though. Now they want me to call by names only!
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
@vandana7 Behenji.... haha not sure if that's acceptable now. And calling an elderly as bhaiyya...oops.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
15 Nov 15
I have been called a lot of things both online and off and I don't mind most of them as long as they fit (or the person using them thinks that they do ) but there is one that I can't stand as it doesn't fit at all and therefore no-one should use it and that is "mate" I am no-one's mate and have no iintention of taking up that position either!
I remember back in the old days and I was aunt to so many friends here. A long list at Christmas time LOL
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
The first sound escaping my lips was "oink" when I saw you in my notifications!
Got some stalking to do... then will respond to you. Right here!
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
Umm... so even you have a no-no word! lol Yeah, I too remember you being Aunt D to so many here :) though I'd never call you that. Got some issues with the aunts....
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
15 Nov 15
Even my nieces and nephews do not call me "Aunt", because we are close in age and more like sisters and brothers. The great-nieces and great-nephews call me "Aunt", because they are about my child's age, and it seems more appropriate.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
16 Nov 15
My brother is almost the same age of my youngest aunt. And he loved to tease her... Anyhow, we can't get away with calling by names.
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
16 Nov 15
@hora_fugit At one point, I did try to make them call me "Aunt" as a way to rub it in that I was slightly older and supposedly had more authority. They laughed at me and said that we were the same age, so I had no authority over them.
As you said, we should not call people names, though.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
15 Nov 15
I like the Indian habit of calling all older men Uncle and older women Auntie. I also like it when people in India call me Didi. However, this sense of a universal family sits well in India but doesn't work in the west. People anywhere in Europe would be surprised to be addressed as auntie or uncle unless they were indeed blood relatives.
Sir, madam, or just a polite 'excuse me' and not calling the person anything would be more expected.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
I am not much happy with calling people Sir or Madam... but I abide.
At the same time I will not call @vandana7 or @mysdianait as Auntie too. They are my dear friends...surpassing this 'formality'.
Not calling anything is the safer way out... just like when I switch to English to hide the tone of 'you'.
Addendum: I don't call anyone Didi! Have got just so many elder sisters...
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@vandana7 (100604)
• India
15 Nov 15
@hora_fugit ..that is cheating..didi is for elder sisters, but didis get something on Raakhi festival and Bhai dooj festival. If we become didis we are entitled to so much..
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@Namelesss (3365)
• United States
20 Nov 15
Here in the southeastern part of the US we are pretty laid back. Sir and Mam are usually reserved for people we don't know. We have a saying here, "you can call me anything you like just don't call me late to supper".
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
20 Nov 15
Somehow I think people there would like more to be a 'pal' or a 'bud(dy)' than a brother.... We are pretty demanding relatives!
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
15 Nov 15
Black forest is cherries, not strawberries. And in Germany it has to contain kirsch. In fact the recipe has protected status:
The Black Forest gateau, Germany’s most famous contribution to the cake world, is to join the ranks of Cornish pasties and Stilton after the European Commission granted the multi-layered dessert protected status.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
Yes I remember you mentioning that... for me, didn't even know cakes are served with something! My undivided focus remains on the item itself.
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@arthurchappell (44998)
• Preston, England
15 Nov 15
it really comes down to context and situation how I feel about how I am addressed
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
16 Nov 15
I would take that as a reservation against being too familiar...
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
16 Nov 15
@arthurchappell Okay sir... I would try to dupe you this way only. With all respect
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@arthurchappell (44998)
• Preston, England
16 Nov 15
@hora_fugit pretty much yes. I think if a stranger is getting too familiar they are trying to dupe me
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
15 Nov 15
Just to entertain me, say "It's US phenomenon only"...
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@just4him (317238)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
6 Feb 16
I would find it odd to be addressed in such a manner. But being forewarned that this is your culture, it wouldn't be so bad.