Quite A Can Of Worms I Opened

@DWDavis (25805)
United States
November 21, 2015 2:49pm CST
On another site I frequent I posted my opinion about the governor who turned away a refugee family that had waited two years for resettlement in the US for fear the husband, wife, or perhaps their four year son might be ISIS terrorists. Little did I realize the ire this simple observation would give rise to among certain people of the ultra-right wing persuasion. How do you feel about allowing Syrian refugee families that have been waiting years, have gone through the UNHCR system, the US State Department vetting process, and have finally been approved, being denied the opportunity to live in certain states because the powers that be in that state are afraid of them?
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15 responses
@norcal (4889)
• Franklinton, North Carolina
22 Nov 15
It seems to me that these people have been thoroughly scrutinized, probably more that any other people who enter our country. I think there is a much greater chance that the next terrorist will come from across the border to Mexico or Canada, or will have been raised right here in the good old US of A.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
22 Nov 15
@JamesHxstatic As the French learned, there is as much danger from home grown, radialized teens who feel disaffected and disconnected.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
22 Nov 15
@norcal You are absolutely correct. And with the internet, they don't even have to come to our country. They can recruit from among our own disconnected, disaffected young men and women who feel they have no hope and no future, as they did with many of the Paris attackers.
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@norcal (4889)
• Franklinton, North Carolina
22 Nov 15
@DWDavis There is no way to be completely safe. If we cut off one avenue, they will find another.
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@valmnz (17097)
• New Zealand
21 Nov 15
It's a sad state where we've reached the stage all around the world at discovering people we thought we could trust are not really who they said they were.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
21 Nov 15
I wonder if that is something each generation learns for itself. The more I study history with my students the more I come to realize this is a pattern repeated over and over throughout time.
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• United States
21 Nov 15
I guess you are wanting to open a second can of worms in here!
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
21 Nov 15
Like any good fisherman, I always enjoy opening a can of worms and waiting to see what bites at my bait.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
22 Nov 15
@AbbyGreenhill You are more wise than I, my friend.
• United States
22 Nov 15
@DWDavis I don't touch worms...in more ways than one.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
21 Nov 15
I think it's a good job that countries like Germany and Sweden are punching well above their weight with respect to hospitality because a lot of people would die waiting to get into the USA.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
21 Nov 15
Those countries you mentioned are taking in whom they can and weeding out the bad ones after they get there. Certain politicians here in the US are wanting to wait until they can be 110% sure that anyone who gets in is clean as the driven snow.
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@Missmwngi (12915)
• Nairobi, Kenya
21 Nov 15
I guess we are so far away from general judgement of people
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@Namelesss (3365)
• United States
21 Nov 15
I have gone over this in my head so much. I have no easy answers or solutions. Having said that I don't feel I am qualified to criticize anyone, state or nation for the decisions they make.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
21 Nov 15
An honest and well thought out answer.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
21 Nov 15
I read and I thughjt and I fianlly realied that there are no easy answers to this terrorist thing so I confused as I imnmediately thugh those poor people let them in here t hen the other side in my min said but what if they are terrorists? sorr y.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
21 Nov 15
No need to be sorry @Hatley . I think all of us are facing the same conflicted feelings about the situation. It just bothers me that we have people in leadership positions in this country willing to demonize an entire religious group and nationality because of the actions of a small minority within that group.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
22 Nov 15
@Namelesss Sadly, there are those within our government, and among those who aspire to office, who are deliberately trying to demonize the entire Muslim faith and anyone who practices it.
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@Namelesss (3365)
• United States
21 Nov 15
@DWDavis I don't think the intent is to demonize. One wrong move and someone else suffers. Even one terrorist getting through can come back to haunt everyone, including the rest of their own group of people.
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
22 Nov 15
The Boston Bombers where here looking for political asylum: They were granted the right to stay here...We took them in cared for them...they were vented by the us. and the younger one was given citizenship...Their Islamic upbringing led to their Hate because of the US fighting in Afghanistan. Their mother was even very proud of what they did... with that said... How many of the 9/11 attackers were US citizens...They were allowed into this country..and they lived among us. until the call came for them to attack... Who can say that with everything that is going on, and no way of really knowing who is coming here when their is no documentation....What is going to happen. The President, and other Government officials...Their first priority is to protect and defend the people of this country...What are you going to say when their is another attack on US soil...How many are here already because of the open border policy, people with expired visas, refuges that are already here.... I would say for right now we need to stop any more from coming here..I also believe that we should do more to keep them safe right where they are..
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
23 Nov 15
@DWDavis No where did i say not to let anyone in this country for any reason....But i did say to keep the ones out that are breaking the laws....and yes our borders should be closed to illegals coming in, expired visa holders should be tracked down and be dealt with. As for the Boston bombers, and the 9 11 terrorists.......My point is made that nobody can be veted to be safe if they hold certain ideologies, and follow a cretin lifestyle....and yes for now if we do not know who they are and what they believe all should be stopped until we get the threat stopped....until we get jobs for all unemployed Americans...We need to get this country back on track so we can help others......what i want is my children and Grandchildren safe..........How many more Americans have to die before we wake up to what is going on...... We need to put a hold on all refugees coming into this country right now..........
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@jstory07 (140051)
• Roseburg, Oregon
22 Nov 15
Right now we should not be letting any of them in our country. better safe than sorry.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
22 Nov 15
Would you be willing to make exceptions for children orphaned by the violence in Syria? Or mothers with young children? Would you extend the ban to Muslims from every country? Do you agree with Trump that all Muslims in the US should be registered in a database and their whereabouts be tracked at all times?
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@Tampa_girl7 (50579)
• United States
22 Nov 15
It bothers me that we have not even taken care of all of are own. We have homeless and hungry people here that need our help.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
22 Nov 15
Between non-profits and government aid, billions of dollars have been thrown at the homeless problem. Results are being seen. I read the other day the Virginia had become the first state to eliminate homelessness among veterans.
@KnehKnah (3584)
• Philippines
22 Nov 15
It was not just.
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@cindiowens (5120)
• North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
22 Nov 15
You never really know anybody. A part of me feels like "close the borders and keep them all out". Another part of me feels empathy, and says let them come here and be safe. Obviously though, nowhere is safe right now.
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@Lucky15 (37374)
• Philippines
22 Nov 15
What ifs has been running on my mindnwithbregards to refugees. Should i go with my heart or my guts
@paigea (36315)
• Canada
28 Nov 15
Our new prime minister has announced he is allowing a huge number of refugees to come to Canada. I am in favour and find myself in arguments in RL. I say to people, we need to work on the vetting process if they are feeling insecure but not flat out refuse to take refugees. It makes me sad to get in these arguments. Canada didn't have a very good record of helping Jewish people during WW2.
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@DWDavis (25805)
• United States
28 Nov 15
Nor did the US or any other western country during WWII. It should be as much a part of our national shame as the Japanese internment camps that we turned away ship loads of Jews looking for sanctuary.
@paigea (36315)
• Canada
28 Nov 15
@DWDavis Yes, sad that we don't learn
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• Eugene, Oregon
22 Nov 15
That governor is a racist as far as I am concerned. He also may be one of those devout Christians, many of whom need to ask the question, "What would Jesus do?"