My Take on Karma

Thank you for responding to this discussion, @Vivian Sudhir My take is that something moves in life in a certain direction and there will be an effect to that movement it will move the whole, even if ever so slightly.. I am thinking here also that movement is life, if life is an energy that cannot be known in the mind making it very mysterious. regardless of how many times it is asked, 'what is life?'. Energy has always been and is therefore has no beginning, so therefore its movement is unpredictable from one thing to another. That is why I feel that karma occurs in duality which involves judgement that we lay on ourselves.

@gofsey The higher plane of existence is something that I cannot know through my mind as the mind is dualism and therefore illusory. I recognize this where I am right now, and work with it in meditations. it is a mystery to be lived, as they say in Zen circles.

@derek_a Yes every reality must have its opposing entity. Without this counterpoint, every work will fail. Our dreams, therefore, pertain only to the work in progress. You are making things clear to me.

Thank you @OceanTiara .for sharing.. I would first of all like to point out, that what I will write now, comes to me without too much thought! Not to be believed, but supports further thought.. If you get what I mean I see thoughts as a form of soundless sound - we can hear our own thoughts, but nobody else can. Sometimes they can get quite noisy. As a Zen practitioner, in meditation I notice that it is next to impossible to stop my thoughts, Even thinking about not thinking, is still thinking. When thoughts are spoken, they are words. These words can create karma in our environment and in this way shape our experiences in our relationships with others. Thus they appear to take on a shape of their own. I have observed that thoughts come to me - I have not 'thought' them but are channelling them into my awareness. If I could choose what to think, I would choose not to think negative thought as they create disharmony. As a therapist, I often had people come to me asking me to help them to think positive thoughts and improve their quality of life. I would like to share that I have never met anyone who could deliberately think positively, as the positive has to come with the negative because the mind is duality. I discovered over the years that we have to begin from where we are right now, and become aware duality, and then we will naturally shape what is outside of us, in a positive way. However, it is tricky to realize (make real) that we exist in dualism and whilst our mind is present, there will be another dualism. When we realize dualism, we will surely move to an opposing view and not realize it.

@derek_a Your words are very clear to me as if I am listening to my own thoughts my friend.Thank you, it is soothing to me.

Thank you for joining the discussion @SreekalaIf I will share the thoughts I get as I read your comment... If we believe we are to be punished, then that punishment will come in some way. The ]belief that we are to be punished is punishment for we will be anticipating some bad will happen to us. If we look at the universe, it will nurture the thief just as it would nurture the the saint - it doesn't seem to punish. In duality, in order to know right, we need to know wrong. Both exist. Is there really anything 'definite' in life? Guatam Buddha discovered that the route of all suffering is desire. I would query in this case if desiring is a mistake...

Thank you @cherriefic My thoughts are that if karma is for real, then it would be not two, but one, Karma is duality. Cause is 1 and effect is 2 - which is duality. Yes, we need to take care of our actions, but it is through our mistakes that we learn more about our human condition in dualism.

@derek_a Yeah. The saying what goes up must come down is a cause and effect thing which is like physics.

Thank you @Sivaramakrishnan A My thoughts are, that it is not that we do actions to invite negativity, but that we are being responsive to our thoughts that come to us that originate from the here-now. The here-now, we cannot know in our thoughts as it happens, but only in retrospect. . Karma here in duality is a lesson in learning about our experience of duality and that it (duality) must be an illusion. If we can realize our duality we cannot really know it or speak of it, but are aware of it. If we attempt to analyse our duality, then we immediately enter the duality of the mind as in analyser(1) and that what we are analysing (2) and again we are within duality.

@derek_a My take is we have choices to make but sometimes we take those that are unfair to others and we know them. But we take that path to gain short term advantage - mostly material. Those invite bad karma. Likewise, we invite good karma through positive actions though we forgo selfish advantage thereby. Our actions are in a way a reward by themselves. Mostly we are aware of the consequences of our actions - how they affect us and others. Yes, thoughts at the moment lead to actions - siva