Mozart? Scatology? Surely Not!

@JudyEv (342560)
Rockingham, Australia
July 3, 2016 9:50pm CST
I've been chatting with @CRK109 about Monet's kitchen being preserved for posterity. I said I didn't think I'd ever be famous enough for my kitchen to be preserved. Probably many famous people never expected that objects and places associated them would have such interest for future generations. A number of letters and recreational music of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's has been preserved. He and his family displayed much scatological humour in their correspondence to each other. The definition I found for scatology says 'obscene literature that is concerned with excrement and excretion'. Opinions differ as to why there was such preoccupation with such matters. One view is that interest in or tolerance for scatology is a specific trait of German national culture, to a greater degree than in other cultures. Others believe it is just one of a number of psychiatric conditions from which Mozart is believed to have suffered. Mozart, his parents, sister and cousin, are all known to have written scatological letters to each other. It's not hard to find examples on the net if you search. I do wonder, however, if they might all have destroyed such correspondence if they had realised the letters would survive for generations. Later: Edited to insert photo of Mozart instead of Bach. Apologies to all and thanks to those who put me right.
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@TheHorse (220835)
• Walnut Creek, California
4 Jul 16
I know a lot of people who are somewhat scatological with close friends. I see it was a good thing. How come Mozart looks so much like Bach in the picture you chose?
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@DaddyEvil (138051)
• United States
5 Jul 16
pony, do you know about the verses in two of his canons that have scatological terminology associated with them? I just read about this in Wikipedia... Here is a link you can look at:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Reproduction of the original manuscript of Mozart's canon "Difficile lectu". The words "lectu mihi mars" were intended to be heard as "Leck du mich im Arsch", for which a relatively polite E
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@DaddyEvil (138051)
• United States
5 Jul 16
@TheHorse I am never too sure how much weight to give to Wikipedia articles, since they allow regular people to edit their articles, but that one seems to be genuine... If it is correct, not just Germans of his day, but some Germans today, as well, have an above average interest in developments of tushes! LOL!
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@TheHorse (220835)
• Walnut Creek, California
5 Jul 16
@DaddyEvil It sounds like Germans of his day in general were interested in tushies.
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@teamfreak16 (43418)
• Denver, Colorado
4 Jul 16
I've never heard about this before. How odd.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
Isn't it strange? If their letters hadn't survived we'd never have known this about them.
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@TheHorse (220835)
• Walnut Creek, California
4 Jul 16
@JudyEv I think his scatologial sense of humor was shown in the movie Amadeus.
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@sofssu (23662)
4 Jul 16
LOL They might have if they knew that such silly communication would be made much of.. I bet he never even imagined that the internet would defame him so much!
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
Maybe he is turning in his grave even now.
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@sofssu (23662)
5 Jul 16
@Marty1 By making all these silly scatological letters available to people today after all these years. .. I am just making a tongue in cheek comment here.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
@Marty1 There are just a few examples in Wikipedia - and perhaps elsewhere but I don't know of them.
@DaddyEvil (138051)
• United States
5 Jul 16
Even some of the verse to two of his canons were scatological in nature, Judy! It does seem that Germans may have had/some may still have uhm... interests beyond our own in scatological type subjects.... Mozart apparently was a man of his time... I would hazard a guess that his references to his (and other people's) bottoms and excrement was the cause some psychiatrists possibly may have said he had mental difficulties in some areas... (I am putting that as politely as I am capable.) Did you also notice that some of those letters sent by him, his mother and his sister were rhymed in the original German? LOL!
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@DaddyEvil (138051)
• United States
5 Jul 16
@JudyEv Yeah, I know... We will never know, though... Kinda pointless to speculate, I think?
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
What I also find interesting is that if the letters didn't exist, the psychiatrists would know nothing about it and not have an opinion on it. I wonder what other composers/artists/genii revealed in their letters that are now gone for ever?
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
@DaddyEvil True - but I'm good at pointless. :)
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• United States
4 Jul 16
i'm thinkin' that like most folks, they'd ne'er dream'f their written words to go out into the public'n such a fashion. folks fascination with so much'f the famous folks lives seems most odd to me. seems the more personal, the more intrigued they become.
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• United States
5 Jul 16
@JudyEv reckon they reserved 'emselves out'n public, but let their hair down'n print? lol i wonder if'n they'd be shocked'n mortified to know that folks continue to go through their things?
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 16
@crazyhorseladycx I think perhaps they might be.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
I'm surprised his parents also did this as they seem very strait-laced.
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• Eugene, Oregon
4 Jul 16
I would hope that they would have done so. It certainly brings this genius down to a human level, in a disgusting sort of way.
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@TheHorse (220835)
• Walnut Creek, California
4 Jul 16
@JamesHxstatic I remember enjoying it.
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• Eugene, Oregon
4 Jul 16
@JudyEv I didn't yesterday, had to leave. I never did see the movie "Amadeus," mentioned by @theHorse.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
Did you research it at all? To our minds (well, mine at least) it is pretty crude stuff.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
6 Jul 16
I've heard the word but cannot remember or imagine what it was in relation to.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
7 Jul 16
@JudyEv I'm thinking along those lines - assuming that they meant the tracking of animals.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 16
They talk about 'scat' in relation to tracking wild animals meaning the faeces. I've heard of it in that sense but if I ever knew about scatology, I'd forgotten it.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Jul 16
I had on my ol,d computer lessons on mozarts life but I guess thats all lost all I can say 'is that scatoloigcal stuff or not his music is pure genius in my owm opinion I love some classcical music and his is my favorite.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Jul 16
@JudyEvans yes indeed we can as that music is pure genius love t o listen to it.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Jul 16
@Marty1 oh his violin music of course love it
@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
With music such as he writes we can forgive him a lot can't we?
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• Philippines
4 Jul 16
i wonder how much painting would that cost if it was sold, yup he's one of those greatest musicians ever.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
I think that is a very early photo of Mozart. It seems there are very few that can be categorically stated as being of Mozart.
@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
5 Jul 16
Well, that's a new word I've learned, but I can't see myself ever using it
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
There are some things we don't to be bothered with I think - and scatology is up there among them.
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@cacay1 (83614)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
6 Jul 16
Mozart is so famous in the world.he remains alive to everyone. I sometimes play Mozart's music through YouTube.He is a real virtuoso.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 16
He certainly wrote some amazing music all of which has stood the test of time.
@just4him (317581)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
8 Jul 16
That's a bit bazaar. I guess that means we need to be careful what we keep or collect. You never know what someone will find interesting about you that you would rather not be made public.
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@just4him (317581)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
9 Jul 16
@JudyEv I will.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Jul 16
Yes - and you've just triggered an idea for a post I'd forgotten about so thanks for that! Watch this space.
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@CRK109 (14556)
• United States
5 Jul 16
Well that answered my question as to whether females were involved in these letters! What a hoot! I've written some very strange letters in my life but I doubt any have been of that theme! roflmao!!!!!
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
5 Jul 16
I don't put down much in writing that I might later regret!!
• United States
4 Jul 16
I watched a documentary on the Carter Family on Netflix and was thinking the exact same thing, they probably never imagined their possessions would be of interest to anyone.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
I must take better care to throw stuff out that I don't want people to find - just in case I ever become famous!
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• United States
4 Jul 16
@JudyEv Good idea!
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@epiffanie (11326)
• Australia
4 Jul 16
We'll never know what can make people famous after they're gone ..
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
Of course, his music is one thing and if the letters hadn't survived we'd never have known this about him.
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@boiboing (13153)
• Northampton, England
4 Jul 16
He was a bit bonkers though.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
Genius has its price it seems.
@Macarrosel (7498)
• Philippines
4 Jul 16
I have read his name but never knew what he was up to. How odd.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
Maybe it was how people were in those times - or that society. It's hard to know.
@Lucky15 (37374)
• Philippines
4 Jul 16
All i know is his music and everything that is use while this famous is alive are.all indeed preserve
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
He wrote beautiful music didn't he?
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@Shiva49 (26806)
• Singapore
4 Jul 16
Extreme genius has the exact opposite side too - siva
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
This is very true. There is always a balance in some way.
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@acelawrites (19272)
• Philippines
4 Jul 16
I don't know Mozart has that condition. Their letters could have so much value now if they were preserved.
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@JudyEv (342560)
• Rockingham, Australia
4 Jul 16
There are also similar letters from others in his immediate family.