A Scam?
By Jabo
@jaboUK (64354)
United Kingdom
July 26, 2016 8:53am CST
A few weeks ago I saw a notice in our local newspaper asking for poems to be submitted for a national competition. Apparently they are going to publish a book with a poetic contribution from every town in the UK, so I thought I'd have a go.
Our town isn't that big, and I doubt there are many poets here, so I thought I might have a chance even though I've never entered a competition before.
Today I received a letter saying what a pleasure it was to read my work, and that the quality of entries was much higher than previous years, and that out of many thousands of entries I had made the shortlist, (blah, blah, blah), but unfortunately I hadn't quite made it through to the final book.
However - they think that my poem should definitely be published, and guess what? They just happen to be working on another book at the moment which will be ready for printing later this year, and they'd LOVE to include my poem in it. This book will be able to be ordered at all good bookshops (note, it doesn't say it will be in stock).
And one copy of the book will only cost me £25.98. ($34) Yaaay!
One dedication on the poem will only cost me £10.99 (If I purchase 3 or more books, this is free).
A profile of myself to be included with the poem will only cost me £13.99.(Free if I purchase 4 copies)
If I want to use my pen name instead of my real name it will only cost me £10.99.
So that's a total of £61.95 ($81.20), just to see my poem in print in some obscure publication. I don't think so
I suppose they will catch some people who will be flattered that their poem is considered good enough to be in a book, not realising that anyone who writes any old drivel will be included as long as they pay up.
Would you think this is a scam, or am I being cynical?
(Photo is of my husband enjoying his newspaper in the garden this morning).
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@Mike197602 (15512)
• United Kingdom
26 Jul 16
I don't think you could call it a scam as such as you will be getting something for your money.
More like a marketing/sales ploy.
I bet everyone that entered got the same kind of letter.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
26 Jul 16
@Mike197602 Yes, I agree - everybody will get the same letter, which in my opinion is dishonest, even if it doesn't actually qualify as a scam.
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@Mike197602 (15512)
• United Kingdom
26 Jul 16
@jaboUK yes, it's certainly not 100% honest
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@RubyHawk (99405)
• Atlanta, Georgia
26 Jul 16
It's a scam. I have entered those contests and they always want to sell you a book. I have sent in poetry to legitimate offers and they have accepted my poems and sent me a book free, sometimes a couple of books. I've never bought one of those books.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
30 Jul 16
had that happen also with verse years ago. it was nice though to see in print something free
@shaggin (72244)
• United States
26 Jul 16
I went through something like this years ago when my daughter was a baby but it just said the photo would appear in a book that will be available at Barnes & Noble. I figured I would just wait until it was there for sale thenI would pick up a copy in person. I am sure you guessed that the book never actually went in print to be bought.
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@fishtiger58 (29820)
• Momence, Illinois
26 Jul 16
Not sure it's a scam but really only 81 dollars to have it all. Wow yup I think I would pass.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
26 Jul 16
@fishtiger58 Even if it isn't a scam, it seems an underhand way of doing things to me.
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@much2say (56053)
• Los Angeles, California
26 Jul 16
I don't buy into these anthology publishers. So in high school, some company had one for the highest achievers in high school in the nation - and they picked ME . I think we could include our photo and a bio . . . and for a price of course we could have a copy of this "yearbook" with all of us high achievers. Riiiiight - just the fact that they found me as a high achiever in the nation was a red flag!! .
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@Ceerios (4698)
• Goodfellow, Texas
27 Jul 16
@jaboUK - Ms Janet - That solicitation was what I call "an honest effort to cheat you and make you enjoy being ripped off." Happens in the poetry business all the time, and in "vanity publishing" most of the time.
I once worked as a manuscript reviewer for a small-time publisher. One day this nice lady (although about as dumb as a drain cover) showed up carrying he manuscript - I think the title was something like "My Life Story." The pages were typed, not all that neatly, and were all wrinkled and tattered, coffee-stained, smudged, and there were lots of pen and pencil corrections. She told me that it had be "accepted for publication" by some company - maybe more than one company. I don't really recall how many, but she was proud of her manuscript being that wonderful. Problem. they wanted several thousand dollars to "publish" her book - all 100 copies, too. And, " would your company do it for something less costly?" I read a couple of paragraphs, re-stacked the papers, and handed them back to her. I told her that we would not want to publish her "book" for even double the amount of money for which the others had asked. I suggested that she not take what I was about to tell her as any kind of insult, but that the manuscript would not make any kind of book that anyone would buy - other than her or maybe a member of her family - and that she should find something better to do with her time - maybe knitting sweaters, making dried tree leaves, or whatever. I actually told her that the manuscript was maybe the worst manuscript that I had ever had to review - and if anyone told her how good it was, they were trying to steal from her. She was crying when she left the office, but maybe I saved the nice lady from her vanity. Who knows? I hope so.
My then boss once asked me how he might find poets interested in being published. I told him that it was the easiest thing in the world to find them. "What you do is stand on a street corner, Boss, and yell out to the passing crowd, ' All of you who write poems or have ever written any poems, stand over here on my right side.'" Pretty soon you will have hundreds of poets and would-be poets in a mob standing there to your right. "I don't understand what you are telling me, Gus." he said, "and what do I do with them after they collect there?" My reply was as valid then as it is today, "Boss-o, with poets you can do most anything you care to do."
So it was. So it is.
Suggestion: Save your poems. When you think that you have a sufficiency of them, collect them in an E-book. You can type and format them using the Open Office word processor and, right from that, make a PDF version that will go nicely onto a CD for your own distribution (or solicitations). The word processor is a freebie. The PDF-maker is built-in. CD's cost about 10 or 15 cents each if you buy them in a 100-pack, and CD wraps or plastic holders are low-cost, too. I bought a CD label maker (Called CD Stomper) for a modest price and so could you. If you don't want to do it yourself, someone at a local school might take it on as a project - who knows?
Anyway - Your assessment of that book deal was right-on.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
27 Jul 16
@Ceerios Thank you for corroborating my opinion Gus, and it's great to get the view of someone who has been on the 'other side of the fence' in the publishing world.
I think you did that lady that you talk about a favour - I hope she came to see it that way.
Thank you for your suggestion, but I'm honestly not bothered about putting my poems out there 'en bloc' for public consumption - I'm quite happy putting the occasional one on here for my friends to read. Thanks anyway.
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@Ceerios (4698)
• Goodfellow, Texas
27 Jul 16
@jaboUK - Ms Janet - Your opinion, as always, seemed to me to be right on target. As to being on the other side of the publishing fence, it was often rewarding and very interesting to be able to review manuscripts before they ever became books. I think that I will post about one of those manuscripts (maybe two of them) today. Good thought, that one. As to the lady with her tattered and illiterate manuscript, I have often wondered if she learned anything useful from our interview. It angered me to think that anyone would praise her writing - it was particularly bad - probably worse than some of the worst we see around here.
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@garymarsh6 (23404)
• United Kingdom
27 Jul 16
NO its to hook you into seeing your work in print. Cute but wicked. Publish to the internet there must be poetry sites Janet and of course here where they are enjoyed by thousands! Tell them where they can put their £61.95 and tell them that you forbid them to use your work in their second rate book!
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
27 Jul 16
@garymarsh6 I've already refused them permission to use it, Gary. I'm not that desperate to see my work in print, I'm quite happy putting my poems on here occasionally. I know there must be a limited market for any sort of poetry, so it's not worth the hassle of trying to do an e-book.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
28 Jul 16
@garymarsh6 The funny thing is that if I hadn't got my first computer less than 3 years ago and joined Bubblews, I never would have even attempted poetry. I first had a go when people were doing it for National Poetry month, and tried it myself.
It had never even entered my head that I might be able to do it. In fact when my daughter got married I asked a friend if she could compose a poem for her, and looking back on it I realise that I could have done a far better one myself.
@garymarsh6 (23404)
• United Kingdom
28 Jul 16
@jaboUK Your poetry is worth it though, Just imagine we would never have read it if you were not here! Glad you were not taken in. Wise head on your shoulders!
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@DianneN (247184)
• United States
27 Jul 16
Scam. I'm in a book about the Who's Who in American Teachers, and have been nominated several times. They wanted me to purchase the book for a hefty fee. If I was interested, I could see if my local library carries it, but I'm not. You can do the same.
I love your garden!!!!!!
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@shivamani10 (11035)
• Hyderabad, India
26 Jul 16
This is another way of making money. India would definitely copy it soon. I am waiting for it.
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@VivaLaDani13 (60794)
• Perth, Australia
6 Feb 17
@jaboUK I don't know if it was a scam or not but I know I wouldn't take my chances. It just seems way too much to get one poem published. Either a scam or a major rip off!
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@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
6 Feb 17
@VivaLaDani13 Hence the reason I will publish free of cost than be dragged down into such schemes.
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@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
6 Feb 17
@VivaLaDani13 Took my fair share of grey hairs to reach that level.
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@TheHorse (220265)
• Walnut Creek, California
30 Jul 16
It's a scam. Here we call them "vanity presses" and many people fall for it. One person (not me) submitted absolute rubbish, just to see what would happen. Of course it was "accepted" and submitted as some kind of "finalist for "best in show."
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@Mike197602 (15512)
• United Kingdom
30 Jul 16
sounds very similar.
although here a vanity press is somewhere that people actually go to to get whatever they've written printed.
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@just4him (317238)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
27 Jul 16
I don't think it's a scam, but I do think they are trying to get you to pay for something that shouldn't cost you anything as it was part of a competition. I think it was a hustle and hope they can get people to pay for their original free poems. I'm glad you're not taking part in it. I wouldn't either. It would be interesting to get a copy of the book when it comes out to see how many people did pay up to get their poems in the book.
Your poems are good and are book worthy. My honest opinion. There are many traditional publishers who pay you to publish your work. Unless you self-publish, then many times you pay for the self-publishing. Amazon has a company called CreateSpace where you can get your poems published free. Won't cost you a dime or farthing. Certainly not what that company wants you to pay them. I have two of my books published through CreateSpace and didn't pay anything for them, though I did do all the work.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
27 Jul 16
@just4him Thanks for your in-depth comments Valerie. Even if it's not a scam as such, I don't like their methods and I'm certainly not going to give them any money.
Regarding the self-publishing - i honestly can't see how there's much of a market for any sort of poems - novels are different. Are you having much success with yours?
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@just4him (317238)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
28 Jul 16
@jaboUK Not yet, which is why I'm getting my novels into second edition. I have an editing team working with them who will be marketing them for me. Something I know nothing about and probably why I haven't sold well. They will also have better covers on them. The one for Scarred will be basically the same with some photoshop to it as there is a navigation satellite on the mast, and they didn't have satellite navigation in the 1700's. It's a picture I took myself. The other two books are generic pictures I chose from CreateSpace. So with the help of marketing and better covers I'm hoping to get an increase in sales.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
26 Jul 16
@jaboUK Legitimate contests with entry fees do exist. The keys are 1) lack of flattery and 2) they don't guarantee anything—like placement in a book no one besides you will buy.
I'm glad you weren't taken in either. But I'm not surprised. You've been around the block.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
26 Jul 16
@msiduri Thanks for your input Denise, but I doubt I'll be entering anything in the future. It was just that they said they wanted a representative from our town that made me think I'd have a chance. I'm not silly enough to think I could win anything national.
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@responsiveme (22926)
• India
28 Jul 16
That is a scam,obviously. But why don't you publish the poems and rhymes that you do. I enjoy them so much...you make it very funny but those are real life human situations .
Hubby looks relaxed and who wouldn't be in these surroundings.?Your garden is beautiful.
I recognize the salvias and the marigold.Please do a post on your garden too.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
28 Jul 16
@responsiveme Oh yes, I've got everything I write.
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@jaboUK (64354)
• United Kingdom
28 Jul 16
@responsiveme I don't honestly think that there is much of a market for poetry books, so it's not worth the bother.
I've sent you a link to a post I did on my garden
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@responsiveme (22926)
• India
28 Jul 16
@jaboUK will check that out.
Are you at least keeping the compilation of the poems you do here?
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