Expecting artists and players to take sides ..
By vanny
@vandana7 (100249)
India
October 1, 2016 2:42am CST
So India and Pakistan are not in good terms.
Who does not know?
But hey, we share same music, and attire, and cuisine, and dances...and even looks...
Given so many similarities it is natural for us to be sharing what is common.
But expecting Pakistani artists to condemn terrorism ...
And saying it hurts us...when they don't
I find it politician tongue wagging.
Would Indian artists giving programs in Pakistan be expected to say India did wrong or is doing wrong?
On the one hand we say there is no democracy in Pakistan, but we want defenseless Pakistani artists to be brave and utter something for which they might be made miserable back home. As a way to console us....
There was a cricketer who did it, not too long ago, and met with a lot of flak...
"Are we learning" Indians?
They may be feeling it, but can't express...don't put them in tight corner just because of their nationality...they are helpless in that situation.
If they disbelieved in India Pakistan unity ...they would have vociferously supported their nation and policies of their nation...they are not doing that either...so they are behaving neutral...don't create prejudices where none exist.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
1 Oct 16
I find it funny. They were expected to condemn the terrorism, which they very well could. Instead it's being portrayed as taking sides! lol
I really don't believe we need any of them here... nor are they here due to their 'talent' (talking of actors here) but for something else But then that's my personal opinion.
Reading through the comments, it feels like you are saying "Let the oppression rule"
Lastly, two things. I don't believe in that concept of "art knows no boundary", it definitely does, as opportunistic as it is! And second, when you are out to make money you have to play by rules or pack the bag back home. Indians have no business being understanding to all and sundry.
Making stands clear does good to everyone.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
1 Oct 16
@vandana7 Seems like some wrong button was pressed.
If they condemned terrorist attack...may be terrorists would be after them. - is it true for them only? Still we see so many condemning the terrorism!
I am reminded of Adnan Sami's statement. Think he is Indian now... anyway, he condemned terrorism and apparently drew flakes from Pakistanis. His counter-question was, do they think Terrorism and Pakistan are one and same?
I am saying the same. These artists could slam the terrorism, they are not being diplomatic or wise not to do that. Terrorists don't work on credit system - they are not going to spare the artists because "last time they had not condemned our acts". They are just postponing the inevitable.
I know only one lady journalist from Pakistan, and if that's the same one, she should have been spared from such questions. Who knows, maybe the anchor was another Famous lady Journalist from India who derives pleasure from others' woes! These words do sound like hers.
For all I know that lady J from Pakistan is delusional too...
Obviously our art would be recognizable in our lands mostly! Flagged as I may get for this, it is the truth! The two nations were not dropped from the skies... And we have tried artists and/or locations from Nepal too, which indeed is a separate country.
The love for music will foster better relationship.... that ship has passed and our relationship is the same. I, for one, am not in favor of buying a new artifact.
Actually I do agree with you. They should not make supreme sacrifices just for a few lakhs they earn here, they should forfeit that prospective. Apparently some did already. Kudos to them.
Just a passing thought.... how many lakhs they make in the native country... which market is more profitable?
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
1 Oct 16
@hora_fugit ...No...it was not the Famous Lady Journalist from India...who derives pleasure from others woes ....it was a male anchor...he felt sorry for cornering her, but her answers were honest...better than the lady advocate in Supreme Court...I think we need to set our house in order before expecting others to do something.
And notwithstanding our differences in thinking, trust me these would never come in between our friendship so stand or no stand ..just my feeling that if they use a nuclear weapon, would we have time to use ours or vice versa, if we use ours would they have time to use theirs...and if both use, then that is both countries gone for several thousands of years....for Kashmir, which would be a goner too...and yes, China has a reason to feel concerned because air and water could be affected, as would Nepal, Bangaldesh, and Shrilanka.
I am not saying terrorism is not wrong. It is. But when they are saying every time let us talk Kashmir, avoiding it and continuing it this way is helping nobody....now have an international conference call, let the whole world see the truth...and decide for themselves where it is going wrong...or who is wrong and let people also shed their mistaken beliefs with historians and authorities pulling up documents and presenting and reading them. That way, if they feel they were wrong they would step back, and we feel we were wrong, we would. But skirting the issue is helping nobody...and it is only increasing the risk of nuclear weapons reaching wrong hands, i.e., terrorists, who are under no obligation not to use them.
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
1 Oct 16
But that would make their families vulnerable back home....
Did Shoiab Akhtar not take some stand? For a simple thing like the game, they made him miserable. Imagine that kind of public anger directed against a family.
If they condemned terrorist attack...may be terrorists would be after them. If they condemn their government the government would be after them, either way...they had little to choose from.
I did not say "Let the oppression rule". Please don't interpret it like that. If they applied for Indian citizenship, would we give? Look at Bugti's case and decide whether we can absorb the Pakistanis who do not agree with their leaders. That would be the inevitable outcome if they dared to open their mouth...
Obviously our media knows how things are, and a lady journalist from Pakistan was cornered into admitting something, based on which the anchor had mentioned, I hope you would be safe.
I feel our art is confined to India Pakistan and Bangladesh. Even Shri lanka is accustomed to different type of music. We have talent no doubt. They watch our movies, we opt for their artists singing for us. May be love for music will foster better relationship.
With both nations being nuclear nations, sitting for dialogue is necessary.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
2 Oct 16
I do not hate politics :) Last line is true though. Even that needs politicking...
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
2 Oct 16
wow! what an interesting post. gives us some insight to so much that happens there beyond the news that can not be relied on.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
2 Oct 16
yes that is just wrong. people need to understand the danger and not judge or condemn them.
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@skysnap (20153)
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1 Oct 16
Money doesn't take sides.
But it's interesting that how none of the pakistani celebrity condemned attacks.
By the way this is the same nation that once threatened bangladeshis and made india take side of bangladesh..
I think pakistan is cornered and so the people born over there are in dilemma to defend their ancestors actions or apologize and move on....
which we can see now what they have chosen.
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@vandana7 (100249)
• India
1 Oct 16
Hey it is difficult for them...remember one of them Shoaib Akhtar did mention it...and how much he was troubled back home?
They have loved ones back home...if they utter anything here, their loved ones will be troubled. Do you expect them to lose their loved ones for India? Just because they came for some employment out here?
@vandana7 (100249)
• India
1 Oct 16
@skysnap .. So when we know that they are in tight corner, expecting them to make supreme sacrifices just for a few lakhs they earn here is kind of weird expectation or not, especially when their loved ones are there back home, who can be taken to prison and tortured...can't we understand the situation...are we not that mature?
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@skysnap (20153)
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1 Oct 16
@vandana7 Here's something I have learned about tight corner and making sacrifices. You know when it comes journalism, book selling and getting TV or movie roles offshore, the western media asks indian people to comment on culture and life in india. What do you think these people say in front of western media? Priyanka chopra on jimmy kimmel show said, other than her father and brother, she doesn't like any indian men and she's better off without people in this country.. she got applauded by western audience.. malika sherawat once too was in controversy over the point that if you have to choose between a white man and indian man, what would you do? her answer too was shocking. You'd never find such comments from pakistani celebs .. not just in indian context but any other industry..
You see when it comes to benefits and sacrifices, indian celebs don't have rosy past. I applaud pakistanis for sticking with their own nation despite knowing the fact that their nation is declared as terrorist nation. As far as india is concerned we are easy to be bought, the other side just needs to know how much to bid for ..
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@celticeagle (166761)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Oct 16
Interesting points. Don't need to put prejudices on things. We have enough of that already.
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@jstory07 (139579)
• Roseburg, Oregon
3 Oct 16
Very well said. To many people do not put themselves in the shoes of others.