A Lesson from Religion or not????

@bird123 (10643)
United States
December 7, 2016 11:31am CST
Do people attempt to manipulate the actions of others by inflicting pain? What are they teaching the world and the children? Has Religion taught us to do this? Is religion really teaching us not to do this? What do you think????
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
7 Dec 16
I read something that describes perfectly what I believe--"if your religion tells you to harm or kill anyone, you need a new religion". I would say if people are hurting or killing others for religious reasons they don't have a religion, they have a cult.
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
7 Dec 16
Yes, there is a thin line between a religion and a cult. Perhaps instead of placing so much value on Beliefs, one should value Truth and Facts above all else. I think it is easier to use pain in an attempt to control others. It seems to be all over the world. There are better ways. They just take more work and intelligence.
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
8 Dec 16
What is painful for one person is not always painful for another......So who or what do you think is going to make the guide as to what is painful or not.....Who makes the rules for us to follow as to what is acceptable and what is not....I would say God does because it is his world... When a toddler does something and you smack their hand a few times it causes a little pain, but it will also help to stop the behavior..... When my 4th child desided it was fun to pull the cats tail. instead of letting the cat attack the child..when ever he did it. i pulled his hair just enough for him to get the message that he was hurting tthe cat, after a few times he got the message and quit pulling his tail...The child was not hurt but my action did cause a little pain, and it changed his behavior.... man created a place called jail or prison...when man breaks the law that is where they are sent...It is a place that is uncomfortable for some and it could also be quite painful for others, and for some it is just a way of life.... God is teaching us that their is consequences for our actions....That each of us is held accountable for our actions or the choices that we make.... I know from other conversations that you think hell was created as a way to keep people in line.....But if you look around at the world today people do not care one way or another about going their because they are more into living with their sin right now....God gave each of us free will to choose if we want to spend eternity with him, or to spend it without him... Is hell going to be painful. yes it is more horrible and painful than anything any one can imagine here on earth.....So why if pain is a deter ant like you think it is.......why do so many choose to go their.......
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
9 Dec 16
God has no rules. Each decides for themselves what is right and what is wrong. Yes, there are consequences with our every choice. Many blindly choose based on rules and laws of society, based on customs, traditions and habits, based on selfishness and greed, however choices will return to teach us what our choices really mean. This happens regardless of the rules,laws,customs,traditions,habits or beliefs. You see, God does not care about beliefs. God is going to want you to KNOW! The knowledge comes to us all until our intelligence brings understanding to the best choice. Now, one can choose to hit their children in an attempt to alter their actions, but what are you really teaching your children? It's not good. Let's take an example from God. God does not come down and inflict pain to alter anyone's actions. You see, it's not about Control as with mankind. With God, it's about education. Society does put people in prison in an attempt to alter the actions of others through pain. How is that working? What are they teaching criminals? Aren't they simply trying to sweep the real problems under the carpet? Do they really care about anyone? Now, I can see the need to protect society from some violent people. On the other hand, nothing is solved until the real problems are addressed. Does mankind make any effort to determine the underlying causes. Perhaps it takes more work than simply sweeping it under the carpet then in anger making hateful judgment calls of how bad everybody in the world is. Once again, how many violent crimes would never happen if the real problems would be addressed? In the end, fixing the real problems would be cheaper than overtaxing the system we have today of lock them away then throw the key away. Hell is a creation of Mankind in an attempt to control through fear and intimidation. It does not exist in God's system. It only exists in the minds of mankind. Think about it. What are they really teaching with it? Unconditional Love could never exist teaching, preaching or wanting others to go to Hell. Reexamine those choices. Is that what you really want for the world and yourself? You would be much happier to stop trying to control everyone's actions to fit in your box of beliefs. Relax, God has a system by which everyone will be ok. Everyone will learn and grow toward where they need to be. Perhaps, instead of judging and condemning people, you trying loving them Unconditionally. There are better ways than trying to control the actions of others with the use of pain.
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@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
9 Dec 16
@Bluedoll What does Love mean....... He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. The meaning of Chasteneth is : to correct by punishment or suffering : discipline; : to correct by punishment or suffering : discipline; Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
9 Dec 16
@Bluedoll Yes, it is all about Unconditional Love. Mistakes and errors are made, however that is part of the learning process and are expected. Through all the learning, each walks toward God regardless of the level of understanding they are at. In time, through all our lessons, our intelligence will come to realize there really is only one answer and that is Unconditional Love. You are right. We will be like God then. You are right. God is not a punisher. It is mankind who wants that.
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@skysnap (20153)
7 Dec 16
i think people manupulate each other every day.
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
7 Dec 16
Yes, it is all around us.
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7 Dec 16
Religion has nothing to do with people's actions.... NO religions teaches to harm and hurt others for one own benefits.... It's people who show it in that way.... In the mask of religion they do all sort of activities which benefits them.
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
7 Dec 16
But isn't even the concept of Hell using the threat of inflicted pain to alter the actions of others? Further, if religion does not teach this are they really teaching people not to do it?
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8 Dec 16
@bird123 Learning and teaching are the perspectives..... One can only tell some thing... learning from that depends on the person who listens/watches that something.... for example...in my opinion hell and heaven both lies on earth itself... I would define hell as the troubles I face...and Heaven as the comforts.... that's what hell and heaven consists right.... Even to put it in a logical way....every action has a equal and opposite reaction.... So when we do try to harm others even we get harm...and vice versa.... that's what I believe in
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
8 Dec 16
@nerdy_nerd You are right. God returns our actions in time so that we might understand what our actions mean. That is learning at it's best. On the other hand, when one chooses to alter the actions of others through the use of pain, one also teaches others that the use of pain is a method to control the actions of others. Still, even with that, once our choice returns, one learns, understands then the hurting choices will no longer be a viable choice one could make. It would be nice to learn the lesson before it returns, however sometimes one just must live their lessons to really understand.
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