Remembering a Debate with a Guy on the Topic of Children

red condoms from pixabay
@msiduri (5687)
United States
March 20, 2017 6:00am CST
I once got into a debate with a guy online who felt that men should be allowed an “opt out” choice should a woman they’ve slept with become pregnant. As he put it, he didn’t want something like that ruining his life when she could have prevented it. I found this profoundly crass on a number of levels, but I tried to convince him what he wanted to “opt out” on was a human being, certainly one of the inherent risks of sex. Like handling explosives or wild animals, sex has some inherent risks to it, and creating another human being—often quaintly called having children—is one of those risks. If he were going to have sex, and didn’t want children, he needed to do so in a way that minimized his risk of conceiving children. That is, he needed to use a condom every time he had sex, regardless of whether or not his partner was using birth control pills. If he were adverse to children altogether, he needed to have a vasectomy. I was surprised by his response, but maybe I shouldn’t have been. He didn’t want to use condoms because he didn’t like them. He didn’t want to have a vasectomy because that was permanent. I told him he was taking a greater risk and then asking his partner to bear all the burden. If he didn’t want to take responsibility for his actions, someone would have to because of the enormous responsibility of pregnancy. He didn’t see it that way. He saw an unintended pregnancy as his partner’s problem. It was something she would have to deal with. She would have to get an abortion, if that was what she chose, or put the baby up for adoption, but he would in no way take part in raising the child because he hadn’t consented to conceiving it. (Like she did?) When I mentioned the he “consented” by not taking responsibility in taking steps he could have to preventing its conception, well, his response was, shall we say, not repeatable. I’m surprised there are still people who think like this. No, he himself cannot get pregnant, but there once was a woman who was pregnant with him. I’d love to hear what she has to say. image: pixabay
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@atoz1to10 (6780)
• Australia
20 Mar 17
Yes, some men can be really selfish.
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@atoz1to10 (6780)
• Australia
21 Mar 17
@msiduri five daughters is not enough, have to be a dozen.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
21 Mar 17
@atoz1to10 But think of the poor woman who has to bear them and change all those diapers, but I'd bet he wouldn't get near a soiled diaper.
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@atoz1to10 (6780)
• Australia
21 Mar 17
@msiduri If they don't like children that much, I don't think they will around...
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@JudyEv (339591)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Mar 17
I am not really surprised at his attitude. I think there are dozens who still think this way. The smart ones keep their opinions to themselves but it doesn't change their opinion.
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@JudyEv (339591)
• Rockingham, Australia
20 Mar 17
@msiduri He sounds totally self-centred. Pity the poor girl that gets mixed up with him.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
20 Mar 17
@JudyEv Exactly. But there's always someone who gets taken in. Either looks or smooth talk or something.
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• Preston, England
20 Mar 17
he sounds incredibly selfish - I suspect he is better off not becoming a father if he resents children that much
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
20 Mar 17
Amen to that.
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@silvermist (19702)
• India
20 Mar 17
@msiduri What a selfish man he is! Every thing is always about him.
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@silvermist (19702)
• India
20 Mar 17
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
20 Mar 17
...yes. A pity he can't get pregnant. As I mentioned elsewhere, I hope when he's older and married, he has five daughters and no sons. At least two of those daughter have to be twins.
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@OreoBrownie (3755)
• Commerce, Georgia
11 Apr 17
I think men have an obligation to protect themselves pregnancy and not depend on the woman. He should put a sock on it, so to speak.
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@LadyDuck (471355)
• Switzerland
20 Mar 17
It is very sad, but many men think like this. They are not the ones who get pregnant, so it's not their problem.
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@LadyDuck (471355)
• Switzerland
20 Mar 17
@msiduri That would be what I call "equality", but unfortunately humans are built to be female or male and we are the unlucky ones.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
20 Mar 17
@LadyDuck Yes. But we can treat each other fairly. We're not all idiots like this guy.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
20 Mar 17
No, they don't get pregnant (and more's the pity) but they're usually around the scene of the crime. I read a book years ago. Wish I could remember the title of the book. Ursula K LeGuin is the author? Aliens on another planet where partners ran an equal risk. There was no male or female per se in the species. It wasn't until they actually mated before one became male and the other female and it was decided by chance who could be impregnated. In any one couple, one partner could bear some children, and the other could bear other children. A bit more equitable, if unpredictable.
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@prinzcy (32305)
• Malaysia
20 Mar 17
Responsibility fall to those who make the child and you don't create a child alone.
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@msiduri (5687)
• United States
20 Mar 17
Yes. You'd think that would be common sense, wouldn't it? Yet because he wouldn't be carrying his child, he wanted to be able to "opt out." I was so surprised. He couldn't wrap his head around the idea that he was talking about human being.
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