Are We Living On A Flat Earth?
@Iquestionitall (229)
United States
June 15, 2017 8:07pm CST
Oh, wouldn't you know it?
The new guy's not here for one day and already stirring up a debate.
I noticed the top trending topic on YouTube is "flat Earth" and so, I looked into it.
In so doing, I found myself asking some of these same questions.
Before you subject me to ridicule and/or indignation, remember, neither indignation nor ridicule are evidence...ever.
I suppose the big point which has me questioning reality is the fact that - no matter what we're told - numbers don't lie.
And, the numbers state, if we're living on a sphere, with a circumference of 29,010 miles, we should experience a drop in the visible horizon of 8 inches, for every mile squared in our line of sight.
But, we don't.
Face it.
Here where I live, I can see a windmill, right now, five miles away, at its full height.
I shouldn't be able to.
In Detroit, people can see across one of the Great lakes, all the way to Chicago.
Anyone in Europe ever hear of seeing the white cliffs of Dover from France?
On a spherical globe, these things should not be possible, at all.
As well, in my image, you can see the solar panels on the ISS bent. Those are not built bent. NASA specs are far too exact. Such an effect only comes from using what's called a fisheye lens to cause curvature.
I'd like to hear your thoughts, please.
BTW, folks, I'm no bible-thumper.
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@moirai (2853)
• Philippines
20 Jun 17
Interesting.
I say 'interesting' because of different reasons. First of which is, I only came across this Flat Earth thing a couple of days ago when I saw a video on the first page of my YouTube, and it went from there.
And now, coming back here to myLot, I see something about Flat Earth again! I wonder why it was trending?
Question to you first, though. Did you believe in Flat Earth before you noticed it was trending? Something in your post tells me you have only just discovered it as well.
So... did you do some extensive research after you discovered it? How much research did you do? How many days were you at it? Are you now a believer of Flat Earth?
I have always been taught that the Earth is round. Magellan (who discovered my country as well), they say, proved it by circumnavigating the world. (That's how I remember it explained.)
I have also always wanted to be an astronaut. My childhood dream. How I wish I had the means and became an astronaut so I could have gone out there and I can answer this question definitively after seeing it with own eyes. Alas, I did not become an astronaut. The dream of going out to space is still just a dream for me.
Understandable that I am resistant to this idea of the Earth being flat. But I am fine with discussion.
A) On the matter of Magellan circumnavigating the world, I understand how Flat Earth can explain that by saying he didn't actually travel a path around a globe, he just traveled a somewhat circular path on the plane of the Flat Earth. Fine.
B) On the ISS pictures you point out... I am not a fan of fish eye lenses. I don't know why people like them or use them. How I wish people will just not use them so we won't have this confusion. For this, I do not have an answer for now.
C) One thing I found in the last couple of days looking into this is something called the Antarctica Cup Ocean Race. It's a boat race that circles Antarctica which is the continent at the South Pole in a round Earth. In Flat Earth, Antarctica is supposed to be an ice rim.
The race supposedly covers around 14000 nautical miles. In a Flat Earth, the distance that should be covered is closer to around 60000 miles (according to one source I found). (Also see an azimuthal equidistant projection map which is probably closest to what the Flat Earth looks like, though Flat Earthers claim it is not definitive for Flat Earth, and that Flat Earth is not yet mapped.)
Flat Earthers will also say that they do not believe in this race. To be completely fair, the race doesn't seem to be an annual thing, and the site that I found hasn't been updated for more than 2 years, it seems. The race has been completed before, though, as I understand.
Again, how I wish I could have gone through this race myself so I can tell you once and for all if one can sail around Antarctica in 14000 nautical miles, but I cannot...
D) But let's go back to the thing you mentioned - why can you still see objects in the distance? You said, and I quote, "and, the numbers state, if we're living on a sphere, with a circumference of 29,010 miles, we should experience a drop in the visible horizon of 8 inches, for every mile squared in our line of sight." To be very honest, I don't even know how to begin with the math I have to do to be able to confirm this. So I won't try to do any math at this time.
I have a vague memory of atmosphere having to do with it, perhaps? Does the atmosphere refract things? Maybe something similar to how a mirage works?
But let me go ahead and ask a question back...
If the earth is indeed flat, then if I point a powerful telescope (surely there are powerful enough telescopes as we can point some towards the sky and see very, very, very far things...) towards the horizon, then logic dictates that I should be able to see much, much, much farther than even the distances you mentioned, perhaps even as far as the so-called ice rim.
How far can you see using a telescope? Is it endless? Or does it eventually drop? Could you see to the very edge of the Flat Earth?
E) Lastly, I have another question, and this is something I just thought of while writing this response for you: how does the sun rise in the east and set in the west then, if the Earth is flat? Logic tells me that if the sun follows a circular path in the sky as I understand Flat Earth describes it, then I should just see the sun circling in the sky above, coming nearer during the day and going farther during night. Why then does the sun come up from the horizon during sunrise and go down into the opposite horizon at sunset?
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@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
20 Jun 17
@moirai This is going to take several responses from me, as I'm on a phone. And please forgive any typos I don't catch first.
Before we go further, let me say, I appreciate folks who come with more than just ridicule.
Admittedly, I'm only now understanding some of the points raised by others, so, yes, you,could say I'm only now coming to it after it's trending.
I was also one of the last people I knew who ever purchased an Android. I have no problem with being a stubborn customer.
I'm still researching and learning andd looking qnd asking. No shame in that, either.
I also have another trait. I will change my position, if new, credible information comes to me. That's just the learning process and as someone else once said, "When an honest man learns he is wrong, he will either stop being wrong or he will stop being honest."
I'll be getting to your questions, one panel at a time, as my interrupting room-mate allows.
@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
20 Jun 17
@moirai A) Okay, well enough. Since I can't confirm anytging about Magellan, I've never considered that a point for flat-Earthers, anyway.
What does interest me is modern airline pilots, landing on runways, which run from North to South.
As well, hearing from some of these pilots intrigues me. I have never piloted a plane, so, hearing some of their statements (yes, on youtube) has partially convinced me.
@moirai (2853)
• Philippines
20 Jun 17
@Iquestionitall No worries. Take all the time and however many separate comments you need.
Thanks for reading through all that, btw. I know I tend to ramble endlessly in responses sometimes.
@paigea (36316)
• Canada
16 Jun 17
@Iquestionitall maybe the windmill is taller than you think.
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@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
The windmill I can see from here, can be seen entirely. It takes a scope but, if we're on a globe, the horizon should drop enough that I shouldn't be able to see the bottom.
But, I can.
So I'm asking.
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@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
@paigea Is that relevant to my being able to see the base of it?
@shivamani10 (11035)
• Hyderabad, India
16 Jun 17
I think you must read some more examples and articles on the subject.
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@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
I'm quite a prolific reader and I'm not exactly new to life.
I suggest others consider they may not have all knowledge.
If you are so sure you live on a globe, prove it to me. Show me the curve of the globe with an UNEDITED photograph.
NASA edits their photos and videos. They've admitted as much before.
@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
And, LOOK at the two images I share. Look at them. Tell me there's no difference, before you accuse me of ignorance.
@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
Now please, I'm asking questions here. Just because you don't have the answers, there's no need to be rude.
Who'd have ever thought I'd be the one to say that?
@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
Before others get nasty, and, as a comparison so others can gauge just how bent those solar panels are, here's the preview snippet on YT of the video feed.
It's OBVIOUSLY straighter than the solar panel in the actual feed. It has been edited.
@NJChicaa (120054)
• United States
16 Jun 17
@Iquestionitall You are part of the reason that Donald Trump is president and trying to revive the coal industry, rejecting the Paris Climate Treaty, reviving awful oil pipelines, etc. You either don't understand or choose to reject science.
Do you also believe that the Earth is 6000 years old?
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@josie_ (10032)
• Philippines
16 Jun 17
Science and math were never my strong suit and it would be foolish for me to argue with someone who is. But I do not see the connection between the topic of discussion and your postscript, "I'm no bible-thumper" Are "flat-earth believers propagating a new religion like those "Young Earth creation" believers who propose that the earth is only 6,000 years old. Or that man co-exist with dinosaurs in the garden of Eden?
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@josie_ (10032)
• Philippines
16 Jun 17
@Iquestionitall _You have made me curious. Does that mean proponents of those 2 ideas do not share the view of the other? Or do they acknowledge the Bible as a common source for their belief? I like to state having a token knowledge of young earth creationism and none regarding the flat earth advocates. But will research it further now that I have become interested.
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@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
@josie_ I don't think they always agree on the two, separate topics. I don't agree with YEC, myself. Sometimes, they do though.
But, I am glad you're curious. Most people lack the courage to be curious.
:)
@Iquestionitall (229)
• United States
16 Jun 17
The topic of young-Earth creationism and the flat Earth viewpoint are often mooshed together.
It makes a discussion very difficult, when people make assumptions, as you can imagine.
I added that line in the hopes that someone might be willing to have this discussion without those assumptions.
But, so far, very few...
Eventually, someone will try, I'm sure. :)
@Genipher (5405)
• United States
18 Jun 17
All I got is this sketch from Monty Python:
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