Love is greater than consciousness.
@innertalks (21904)
Australia
January 4, 2018 9:43pm CST
Love is greater than consciousness.
I say this because of this dream that I had last night.
I was dreaming that I was with my wife at a large railway station, waiting for a train. I knew that our train was leaving from platform 4, but when the train came in, we got on it, without checking its front directional board.
We assumed that all of the trains from this platform would be going to our desired destination.
As it moved past a few stations, I realised that maybe we were on the wrong train, going in the wrong direction, as we passed some unfamiliar station names, like Patent, Patient, Patter, Protest, 4 names, all beginning with the letter "p", and of course, unusual station names these were too.
I went over to the wall of the train, and I looked at a diagram there of the entire rail network, and its many lines. Most of the diagrammed lines had been scratched out by vandals though, or scribbled over with texta, and blotted out with paint, or white out, or something. I could not verify our position on it at all.
And so, we thought that we better get off before we went much further, and so we got off at the next station.
I asked a lady at a counter serving coffee and food items there, on the large covered station, if we had been on the right train, and that we had wanted to go to Hopper's Crossing station.
"No", she said,"This last one was going to Hurstbridge, not to Hopper’s Crossing, at all."
"Ask that man over there, though," she added, "He might just be able to help you further."
It was now already 8.10 am and we had to be in Hopper’s Crossing by 8.30 am, for my wife's job interview. I asked this man if we changed trains now, if he thought we could still make it there to Hopper's Crossing, before 8.30 am.
As I asked him this, he said he was going home to Hopper’s Crossing right now in his car himself, in order to get something for his son that they had forgotten to bring with them that morning, and which his son needed at school here.
He offered to take us there.
And I said, "Well if you do that, we will be very grateful, and I will give you $20 for your trouble too."
He said gruffly, "Well, that’s good", and he took it, grabbing it out of my hand quickly, like a seagull grabs a chip, thrown to them at the beach.
I followed him out of the station, and across a street, and up another busy street, as he walked very fast to his car. I stopped for a minute then, and I looked back, and I noticed then that my wife was struggling to catch up to me, as she is a very slow walker.
Then I turned around again, and I lost sight of the guy I was following, almost that is, as he had just turned around a left corner, up far ahead now.
"If I run now", I thought to myself, "I might just catch him again before I lose him again completely, but then my wife might lose me."
Caught in this dilemma, of either losing him or her, I waited instead for my wife to catch up to me, but we then lost the man, and so we do not go with him, and then I wake up thinking to myself.
"Well, love is greater than consciousness, then", I suppose.
This is echoed in my real life, as I followed love, rather than pursuing further my studies in meditation and increased consciousness and awareness, in my chosen path of Surat Shabda Yoga, which is a type of spiritual yoga practice, in the Sant Mat tradition.
I gave this up and joined my wife's faith, the Catholic Church instead, when I married her.
The train here represents, of course, my current way of travelling, in that it is a state of mind where I think that I am going in the wrong way, and then I think that I can pay someone else to find my right way for me, or to take me along with him on his ride, instead of me going on my own.
It was good that I saw the connection to love, and went with this connection, rather than with the mind connection, instead.
Love is real, consciousness is only falsely real, because of our mind.
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@vandana7 (100214)
• India
5 Jan 18
Both are unreal. lol. Rather both are not permanent and more of concept rather than reality. We can experience both and it never harmed to know both. There never was competition between the two you know. lol. It is we who think there is, because we feel obliged to take sides and be loyal to one concept. In truth, there is nothing like that. We can be deep in consciousness and yet feel love. Vice versa, we can be deeply in love and yet experience consciousness. Both are concurrent concepts not mutually exclusive concepts.
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@vandana7 (100214)
• India
6 Jan 18
@innertalks Logically there has to be a creator. The sound of music line "Nothing comes from nothing" holds good. You want to call him god, so be it. Can he do anything? Of course, he created it all. He can do anything he wants to. That is pretty much scientific actually because creator has to be there. And perhaps the only reality.
Consciousness as understood by me refers to identifying my space in my home, surroundings, moving up to city, country, world, solar system, milky way, and in general universe. The further up we go, the less concerned we are to lower levels. Like when I think of me as my father's daughter, and our home there is a limited set of thoughts. The set is different from those that come into picture when I start thinking about my neighbors and me. Then comes thinking of my thoughts in relation to the city. Completely different set of emotions. So on. Till I reach a position when I am thinking of my position and relationship with everything in the universe. It is a humbling feeling, and it makes us realize how insignificant I am and how insignificant a moment of anger or pain is.
That said, my love for my parent co-exists. Its just like another chapter in the book or another book in the same shelf. I can't cease to love my parent just because I realize I am insignificant. My anger does not disappear nor does my pain. My understanding of my position in the universe makes it easier for me to accept it and move on. I don't believe god / creator expected us to be constantly in that consciousness mode. Nor in love mode or anger mode or pain mode or happy mode. Consciousness is like base platform others are just apps, whichever is loaded gets played on, but it is possible to shut it return to consciousness and reload the app. My understanding.
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
7 Jan 18
@vandana7 Thanks vanny, that's a good comparative metaphor you used to explain it, love and consciousness.
I think that the love in any particular situation relates to consciousness in many ways because consciousness is like a viewing mirror that God's creation can see both him and themselves in from the recognitive stance of blended love, and also logically too from their mind, using the window of consciousness in whatever way they have built it to be for themselves.
As you grow in your ability to love God, and his creation, (including yourself too, of course) this window of consciousness grows with you so instead of seeing through a glass darkly, as Saint Paul once put it, you now see more clearly through to what really is.
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
6 Jan 18
If love and consciousness are both illusions, what is having these illusions, what is real behind these, and having these illusions?
Either God is real, or a falsity.
Either the world is real (on its own), or a part of God, (if he exists).
Illusions live in the vision of the real. An illusion cannot have an illusion (in the sense that an illusion is already an illusion), but God being God does not have illusions either, and God is love, so love is no illusion.
An illusion is already an illusion so any illusion that it has is not a new illusion, but really just a part of the original illusion.
Humans and creation can have illusions only when they think outside of God, and act from some other energy, rather than love.
All energy is love, but these dilutions of love by their mind creates the illusion; full love is never fooled.
And so consciousness is the illusion, God's love never is, that is if we posit that God really exists.
I like to posit that God exists, and work backwards from that premise, to see how I think that things should be given his existence. If I can understand and work things out like this, to my mind it implies to me that God might just exist...LOL...
@taciaelisepeace (1809)
• United States
5 Jan 18
This is very surreal. I love this story. It is true, love is real, our reality is an illusion. And our minds make up our reality just as it makes up our dreams. It is important to be okay with and just enjoy life and positive feelings to the best of our ability.
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
5 Jan 18
Thanks.
There is a New Age Teaching called the Course in Miracles, that says that, "Only love is real".
God is love, so I guess in some ways, only God is real too. All of us are within him, perhaps it is he that is dreaming us into life?
Dedicated to the practice of applying the ACIM principles of forgiveness. 'Only Love is Real' is today's inspiration for mind healing.
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
5 Jan 18
@taciaelisepeace Yes, the world seems to be impossible for it to exist at times to me, so there must be an "impossible" answer to it all, hidden out there somewhere.
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@taciaelisepeace (1809)
• United States
5 Jan 18
@innertalks Could be... You never know. Nothing is really that impossible.
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@Rationalwriter (1813)
• Lucknow, India
5 Jan 18
The dream is deep and insightful... It seems silly, but sometimes dreams have a funny way of showing us our deep involved thoughts that we are unable to say out load when we are up...
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
5 Jan 18
Yes, thanks. I would agree with you there. It was certainly a long and involved dream. It's certainly trying to tell me something.
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@Shiva49 (26659)
• Singapore
6 Jan 18
You have reached a higher consciousness of placing love above everything else!
When we are in unfamiliar territory better stick together with those in the group.
I like to be practical and stay rooted to basics than pursue esoteric issues that may not serve a family man.
The gurus and yogis have a different setup and have the time to pursue them. I like to understand them and adapt to suit my life. Yes, love and compassion are the basics on which we can build other pursuits - siva
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
8 Jan 18
@Shiva49 Thanks for your wise words siva.
When I first read what you just wrote, I read it as "the creator even shouldering his burden of love for all."
It got me to thinking is loving us a burden for God, or not? Are we a burden to him?
God carries all with his love, and the truth is it is no burden for God. Nothing is a burden for God.
God endures all. Love endures all with long-suffering patience is mankind's description, but God's own description of what he does would be different than this one, I suspect.
Love doesn't endure through any hardship of its own loving. Love shines splendidly from God like a rose petal blossoms. Love is natural to God.
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@Shiva49 (26659)
• Singapore
8 Jan 18
@innertalks We should make love natural to us too, part of our lives.
We need to give others space to shine their light.
When we live in love we are with the divine - siva
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@Shiva49 (26659)
• Singapore
7 Jan 18
@innertalks One of the offshoots of love is higher consciousness than the one we live by in our daily mundane life. When we live a life as part of the whole but willing to shine our own light without expecting any returns then we are with the creator even shouldering his burden or love for all.
We are then on a different realm driven by higher consciousness that reaches beyond this shore - siva
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
13 Jan 18
@megjob Thankyou. I believe that the heart's side should always be stronger in the end.
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@megjob (60)
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13 Jan 18
@innertalks Another take on heart over mind or mind over heart argument well put together.
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@creativeaashish (2609)
• Kathmandu, Nepal
7 Jan 18
This is the longest discussion I have ever read on myLot! Great! I wish to continue to read further in some free time! Thank you !
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
7 Jan 18
Yeh, I was hesitant to add such a long piece, but then again this is "mylot" too.LOL
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@creativeaashish (2609)
• Kathmandu, Nepal
7 Jan 18
@innertalks This is very interesting! Thank you for the wonderful discussion !
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
12 Jan 18
Very unusual dream with unusual details that you were able to remember so clearly.
Is love greater than consciousness? Yes! I think that love is greater then anything and everything.
Love has degrees. I love God. I love my child. I love my dog. I love chocolate.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
12 Jan 18
@innertalks Yes, God's love is different! I will continue to work on understanding it and appreciating it.
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@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
12 Jan 18
@1hopefulman Yes, so will I.
The closer we can get to loving like God does, the closer we can get to him.
And we do this by our loving God, with our whole person, with our whole heart, soul, body, mind and strength, as the Christian bible tells us to do in many places, and also from loving others, as we love ourselves.
@innertalks (21904)
• Australia
12 Jan 18
Thanks, Felix.
Yes, I also think that love does have degrees, but only for those of us "under" God, or not God, in other words(i.e. all of us).
God's love has no degrees about it, I feel. It is always total, absolutely unconditionally given, without any degrees, or lessening of it, at any time.
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