Would you be ok adopting public punishments if it brought down crime rates
By vanny
@vandana7 (100288)
India
March 20, 2018 11:43pm CST
There are arguments for and against it.
For starters, we live in a world where there are simply too many reports floating around.
So when media speaks of something horrendous, the next day we have another horrendous report, and previous one is forgotten and we move from one piece of news to other treating it just like movie gossip.
At times the next day news may be bad, but not horrendous enough so we may even treat it as oh so it is just a rape, not gang rape..gang rapes are bad. Have we come to that level? You bet!!!
But my maid who is uneducated woman came up with public punishments as solution for rising crimes in the country. She has a cause for concern. She has a grand daughter who is working and not yet 30, and great grand daughter who will soon be in risk category if not already.
Will it bring down crime rates? I feel it may for a short while. But are we going to become indifferent to punishments when inflicted in public? Fear lurks.
What solution would we have then if we cannot change the mindset of people?
Keeping criminals in prison is expensive! Would deprivation of rights on property to the person and all his family members work as a deterrent? Would family take charge? Would loss of inheritance rights force people to behave themselves?
In India, inheritance is a big thing. It might help out here. Especially if family would be in a rush to report members who are deviant in behavior so that they do not have to lose rights on their properties and inheritances.
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@vandana7 (100288)
• India
21 Mar 18
Me too. But many people feel 7 to 10 years imprisonment for a person who has thrown acid on another person's face is sufficient. I do not agree with it. Because when acid is thrown on another person's face, the entire life is gone. But 10 years later, that guy or girl can get on with life, marry, have children, retire. That to me is not a proportionate punishment.
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@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
21 Mar 18
There was something similar done recently for NRI's abandoning their wives. From now on, NRI's will lose their properties if they do so. Now it is wait and see whether it works or not.
These NRI's marry Indian women, take them on honeymoon to a country different from the one they work/ study/ live in and abandon their wives there before moving on.
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@vandana7 (100288)
• India
21 Mar 18
@Daljinder I meant the State, not a set of people. As far as I knew of it, Punjab is the word because of five rivers, Jhelum, Chenab, Ravi, Sutlej, and Beas. Punjabi is the language which is used by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs of the region. :) Udta Punjab? It referred to the State. Like that, I was referring to the State. But the trend of NRIs behaving like that started as far back as 1980's down south.
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@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
21 Mar 18
@vandana7 I don't watch Punjabi movies. 
Much if at all. lol I also knew what you did. Well even less. And the language war is going on in Punjab like other states such as with Tamilians having Hindi forced upon them. Stuff like that.
Ugh! I read so much. So, I had to dispose some of what I learn somewhere. Usually, it is during conversation like this. 
You know if this thing the government came up with works then we will know whether it will work for other crimes as well or not. We can take it as a trial.
Much if at all. lol I also knew what you did. Well even less. And the language war is going on in Punjab like other states such as with Tamilians having Hindi forced upon them. Stuff like that.
Ugh! I read so much. So, I had to dispose some of what I learn somewhere. Usually, it is during conversation like this.
You know if this thing the government came up with works then we will know whether it will work for other crimes as well or not. We can take it as a trial.1 person likes this
@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
21 Mar 18
@vandana7 Oh I know! Dowry greed. 
They collect dowries from girls parents and abandon them moving on to next victim.
Punjabi is a culture by the way. A Punjabi can be a Punjabi Hindu, Punjabi Muslim, Punjabi Christian. Many times people confuse Punjabi with Sikhs. I don't think Sikhs are majority anymore in Punjab. They are not synonymous. Even the people living in Pakistan side of Punjab call themselves Punjabis and they are majority Muslims.
In any case, Punjab people needs to get things straightened out.
They collect dowries from girls parents and abandon them moving on to next victim.
Punjabi is a culture by the way. A Punjabi can be a Punjabi Hindu, Punjabi Muslim, Punjabi Christian. Many times people confuse Punjabi with Sikhs. I don't think Sikhs are majority anymore in Punjab. They are not synonymous. Even the people living in Pakistan side of Punjab call themselves Punjabis and they are majority Muslims.
In any case, Punjab people needs to get things straightened out. 1 person likes this
@vandana7 (100288)
• India
21 Mar 18
I too feel that. The present system is really bizarre.
A person who infringes another person's rights under constitution should lose all rights under constitution and be treated as slave for the rest of his or her life.
From no angle can I say what happened in Nirbhaya's case was justice. Rapist gets 7 years imprisonment. The girl suffers for life. Where is the justice in that?
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/know-five-most-heinous-acid-attack-cases-in-india-28429.html
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@vandana7 (100288)
• India
21 Mar 18
I agree. But in Nirbhaya's case, they proved that the minor was bad. So shouldn't he have been punished? If you want to say he is minor he be excused, then punish his parents. That is murder!
He was left because he was a Muslim, and the votes matter.
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@vandana7 (100288)
• India
21 Mar 18
Three things that I feel will help our legal system improve.
a. The number of cases that our advocates handle, and the number of adjournments that they take needs to be brought down. If they finish their quota of adjournments then they would have to pay penalty equal to 10 times the amount they received as fee, to the client. Maximum 3 cases. That way they would have no reason to seek more than 6 adjournments per case. If they walk out of a case before, again a penalty. That way no "taarikh pe taarikh" date after date, at the court with nothing progressing.
b. Second ..yes ineffective laws be made effective by making them relevant and serious.
c. Punishments should include taking away properties, and in the absence of properties organs of the person.
