Crows or ravens - a matter of a pinion

@JudyEv (340019)
Rockingham, Australia
December 9, 2018 2:14am CST
What Australians call a ‘crow’ is actually a raven (Corvus coronoides). It is 46–53 centimetres (18–21 in) in length and basically all black with an iridescent sheen to the upper parts. There is an Australian crow, also known as the Torresian crow (Corvus orru). The latter is only found in the northern parts of the country. The raven has throat hackles which help distinguish it from the other crow species. Now the pinions, for all intents and purposes are the large flight feathers in the wings. And the rest of this discussion in tongue-in-cheek and not to be believed. The raven has five pinions in each wing and the crow has six. So the true difference between the two is a matter of a pinion! (a pinion = opinion). Are you groaning?
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@LadyDuck (471508)
• Switzerland
9 Dec 18
Ravens always travel in pairs, crows in groups. I do not know about the five pinion in each wing (different to spot), but looking at the tale it is a lot easier. A crow's tail is shaped like a fan, while the raven's tail is wedge-shaped. We call both "corvo".
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
The bit about the pinions isn't true but I thought it was a funny joke.
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@LadyDuck (471508)
• Switzerland
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv The tail is true, you really need to be close to spot the difference.
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• United States
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv you have my warped sense of humor...I loved the joke. We have crows. You can tell them because of their yellow bill. The bird in your picture has a black bill. I don't notice the tails much as when I look they tend to squirt!
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• Pamplona, Spain
9 Dec 18
No, just smiling it is a matter of pinion or opinion whatever you wish. Crows are very smart and will talk back to you sometimes. Thanks did not know about their o-pinions or pinions though have taken note.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 18
They are all called crows here. Hardly anyone knows them as ravens.
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• Pamplona, Spain
9 Dec 18
@JudyEv We have crows and ravens and they can seem so alike. Ravens used to live in the Castle walls a lot before.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 18
@lovinangelsinstead21 They have ravens in the Tower of London don't they?
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@snowy22315 (180723)
• United States
9 Dec 18
I do believe there are slight differences between the two. I think raven's are a bit larger.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
That seems to be the case. Sometimes only an expert can tell. Most of us aren't that interested. At least I'm not but I had to find a way to tell the joke.
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@rebelann (112879)
• El Paso, Texas
9 Dec 18
Hey, what about Grackles aka Quiscalus not a corvus though?
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@rebelann (112879)
• El Paso, Texas
10 Dec 18
Hmmmm, I wish I were witty and could think of one @JudyEv Would you believe I have only seen crows once in my life? It wasn't around here though, I was with mom at a lake a few decades ago and saw some .... I've never seen a raven or at least not to my knowledge.
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@rebelann (112879)
• El Paso, Texas
10 Dec 18
Around here there are mostly sparrows and mourning doves with occasional migrant birds but I haven't a clue what they are @JudyEv
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
@rebelann They are very common here - just part of the bush landscape.
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@andriaperry (116936)
• Anniston, Alabama
9 Dec 18
LOL. We have the black crows here, everywhere.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 18
I don't like them at all. They are sneaky and cowardly birds.
@shaggin (72131)
• United States
9 Dec 18
@JudyEv the ones here fight the mirrors on cars they have broken the mechanism on my parents side view mirrors in the past.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
@shaggin Our little birds do that but the cars are under a roof and the crows don't like to come to the cars. We did have one who kept attacking himself in the French window/door in the lounge and would make himself bleed.
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@ilocosboy (45156)
• Philippines
9 Dec 18
We also have this endemic bird that I don't know if its raven or dove but our locals call it barok, a kind of wild dove with red beak and red linings in the eyes
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
Wow, that's some bird. We don't really have anything like that here. Not that I've seen anyway. We do have doves but they don't really look like yours.
@ilocosboy (45156)
• Philippines
10 Dec 18
The birds usually live along the coastal area
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@moffittjc (121586)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Dec 18
Good one Judy! I was going to correct you on your misspelling in your title, but glad I read the full discussion first! Whether ravens or crows, they annoy me greatly, and they're always scaring away the pretty song birds.
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@moffittjc (121586)
• Gainesville, Florida
9 Dec 18
@JudyEv I've never heard them referred to as anything other than crows here. But I think in our more northern states, you'll hear people refer to ravens quite a bit. I don't think I've heard anyone here in Florida refer to a black bird a raven. Like you said, everyone just says crows.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 18
Although it seems we mostly have ravens they're never known as anything but crows.
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@DianneN (247186)
• United States
9 Dec 18
Just chuckled. We have crows. That’s about all I know about them except they are very intelligent birds.
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@DianneN (247186)
• United States
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv Tantrums are for the two year old ravens. Your must have heard of the Terrible Twos!
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
@DianneN Silly me, of course I have. Three and four-year-old ravens would be great fun.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
Malu's link says the ravens at the Tower of London have the intelligence of a 3-4 year old child. I wonder if they throw tantrums too?
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@just4him (317066)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
9 Dec 18
No, but I'm thinking about doing so. It's interesting the difference is in the feathers. I always thought they were the same bird.
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@just4him (317066)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
9 Dec 18
@JudyEv I'd need to see one up close to notice that.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 18
@just4him I don't think you could see unless you actually parted the feathers.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 18
I think it is the crows that have a grey base to their feathers.
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@teamfreak16 (43418)
• Denver, Colorado
10 Dec 18
The Raven: Classic poem. The Crow: One of my all-time favorite movies. Gotta go with the crow!
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
That is a VERY long poem!
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
11 Dec 18
@teamfreak16 My Mum loved all the old poetry and had learnt of a lot of the classics at school. Some she could remember well into her 100s - she got to 104. I did up a book of her favourites and we'd read them to her. Often we'd just get started and she'd take over reciting them. I hope I haven't told you all this before.
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@teamfreak16 (43418)
• Denver, Colorado
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv - But oh so good!
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@Hannihar (130218)
• Israel
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv Very interesting. Sorry I am not groaning.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
Sometimes people groan at very bad jokes.
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@Hannihar (130218)
• Israel
11 Dec 18
@JudyEv I am sure they do.
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@anya12adwi (9445)
• India
10 Dec 18
I never knew in my whole life that raven is different from crows!
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
That's okay. It's not like it's very important. I wouldn't have known the difference either except that I wanted to write about the joke and needed something else to add.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
@anya12adwi It's always nice to be able to boast in front of your brother.
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• India
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv Thanks for bringing out the post! Now, I can boast infront of my brother!
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@nawala123 (20871)
• Indonesia
10 Dec 18
we call it gagak, both for crow or raven
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
English sometimes seems to have a lot of words for more or less the same thing.
@nawala123 (20871)
• Indonesia
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv yes, for example, hawk, eagle, and falcon, we call of them "elang" no matter. but in javasanese, we some times have more than 5 words for 1 things or actvities.
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@Nevena83 (65277)
• Serbia
9 Dec 18
Crow is black and white and the raven is black.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
And do you have both in Serbia?
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
@Nevena83 They have a very mournful cry that's for sure.
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@Nevena83 (65277)
• Serbia
10 Dec 18
@JudyEv yes,and I do not like them because they are terribly loud.
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@ptrikha_2 (46951)
• India
11 Dec 18
Quite close observation. And initially I thought that you are using Pinion as a short form of Opinion.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
11 Dec 18
The pinion bit isn't true but it provides the pun so you can the title either way.
@Teep11 (7673)
• United States
10 Dec 18
Haven't seen any crows in awhile. Crows can make lots of noises. Oh what crows here in Miami somewhere.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
Our crows can be noisy too. Each one has a distinctive 'voice' it seems.
• United States
9 Dec 18
Hahaha, I love that... I heard about the difference, but who is going to count the pinions to see if it is a crow or raven..
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
Exactly. I thought it was very clever.
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@sallypup (61117)
• Centralia, Washington
10 Dec 18
I have trouble telling the two apart. I think in the Eastern part of my state, where I live, there are more ravens than crows. And in the West, its reversed. Ravens are larger and make that yodel in their throat when they call.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
11 Dec 18
It seems most countries have their crows and ravens.
@aureliah (24316)
• Kenya
9 Dec 18
This is quite informative. Ravens are not common here
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
9 Dec 18
We have dozens of them. They are quite a nuisance in some areas.
@aureliah (24316)
• Kenya
22 Mar 19
@JudyEv I can imagine
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@Janet357 (75646)
10 Dec 18
We had so many crows in our childhood place and it is often associated to horror films.
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@JudyEv (340019)
• Rockingham, Australia
10 Dec 18
That's true. Horror films always seem to have big black birds in them.
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