Struggle: Do we need to struggle in life, or not? That is the question here.

My problem is that l am not happy to be made human, through struggling. I have no interest in being just human. I have no interest in suffering, or not suffering. They are mere labels to be. I want to find something beyond the labels. Jesus Christ disagreed with struggle. He said the lilies on the side of the road do not struggle. Struggle achieves nothing. Trust God. The hairs on your head do not struggle to grow, unless you are bald...lol..

@josie_ If the Universe was really struggling to be the Universe, it would have all ended a long time ago. There are laws, and laws do not struggle to be laws. Laws govern all. Struggle is merely not fully understanding these laws. Struggle is a description, rather than a fact, or a necessity.

@innertalks _If one assumes the universe is not a place where life exists but an actual living entity then the numerous stars being created and eventually dying out could be described as a process of struggle. Subjected of course to the laws of nature.

@innertalks I can't answer that. I have not been to heaven yet.

@eileenleyva Either have l, been to Heaven, but why are you so sure that struggle is needed here? Does a flower struggle, or do we need a mind to struggle against what we think, with that same mind, is against us, when maybe, nothing is really against us at all; it is just what it is.

So, what would life in Heaven be like? Is there struggle there too? If not, why not, if it is needed here?

Yes, the rich seem to get by without struggling much, money paves the way for them. The rest of us need to struggle to make a living.

If the Law of gravity had to struggle to always be itself, what would that result in? The laws are always working perfectly without struggle, and if the laws have formed us, why would we need to struggle against them??

@stapllotik Yes, l talk more about the higher worlds, or the totality of it all. Struggle is more a description than a reality. It is just what it is. Everything must be playing out according to the laws, or the laws would not be the laws. If God exists, and he has a plan, and his plan includes us, and is a perfect plan, all that happens is part of this overall plan, so why struggle against God's plan. Just go with his flow, follow his way, his love, accept, surrendered to it, as some say. Stop struggling, just be, as God wants us to be in his plan.

@innertalks If you want to leave the material world than what you've said above is true.

Yes, if we could do that, that would be the answer to all of our problems.

But l think that we should not become attached to the struggle, learn the lesson for us in it, and move on. If we become obsessed to struggle, we become the tyre, not the car. A puncture, a rock, we might go over, but the car, the driver, are not the struggle, it's just something we drive through, and some outer part of us feels more than our inner parts.

A lot of people would agree with you there. There was once a self-help spiritual writer, named Stuart Wilde, who wrote a book entitled, "Life was never meant to be a struggle." Struggle happens in your mind when you fear anything in life. Drop all fear, and you start loving all that happens, trusting God, rather than struggling against him anymore. God does help all though, even the struggler.

And yet Jesus said my load/ struggle is light, give me all your struggles/problems to carry for you. It means to me that he doesn't want us to struggle, but to rest in his love and peace always.

@innertalks Matthew 11:28-29 (KJV) 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Jesus is inviting people who have heavy loads from following the world and it's ways to come and take his yoke or to become his followers as his load is light as compared to that the world puts on people. Still, we have a load that we each must carry. Galatians 6:5 (CEV) 5 We each must carry our own load.

@kanuck1 Yes, but without complaining about it, by telling everyone how bad our own struggles are. That is where the sin enters the picture, l think.

@Shiva49 Ha, ha. I nearly did that myself once. I floated out to sea, and a rescue boat came out to check if I was ok, at the time. It went on the seawards side of me, and its bow-waves, "pushed/ushered" me back towards the shoreline.

@innertalks Yes, for some everyday is a struggle while for others they are challenges to overcome. For me as I say all the time, I like to be in my comfort zones but once prised out of them I do enjoy the wider horizon. We should flow with the creative thrust rather than fight against it. I recall my swimming instructor in Indonesia telling me I should befriend the water rather than treat it as an enemy! He added some are so comfortable in it than they fall asleep while out swimming and floating in the sea ending up in a watery grave! siva

Struggle is warring with ourselves, with God, or with life.