Coconuts in Thailand are harvested by captive monkeys

@JudyEv (339433)
Rockingham, Australia
July 6, 2020 4:27am CST
My husband, Vince, uses coconut milk and cream in his dishes. He does most of the cooking, having taken in up in self-defence. (That's a joke) The coconut products we buy are produced in Thailand but it’s now been revealed that macaque monkeys are being used to harvest coconuts on the farms. The monkeys are snatched from the wild and are soon expected to pick up to 1,000 coconuts a day. A number of major retail stores throughout the world are now boycotting those organisations that supply these products. Other countries that produce coconuts are include Brazil, Colombia and Hawaii. Harvesting methods include tractor-mounted hydraulic elevators, human tree-climbers, rope or platform systems, ladders, or the use of dwarf coconut trees. I wonder if the boycott will have much impact. I suppose it will as there is a huge number of stores involved. I hope it does. The photo was taken in Nepal.
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@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
6 Jul 20
We have a lot of coconut in the Philippines. I hope monkeys won't use captive humans to harvest bananas
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@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv they deserve it
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@ramapo17 (30441)
• Melbourne, Florida
7 Jul 20
That is funny......
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
They would be getting their own back in that case, wouldn't they?
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@MALUSE (69373)
• Germany
6 Jul 20
Why is this seen as cruelty to animals? Isn't picking coconuts something monkeys like doing?
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
Fair enough but I don't think they would voluntarily pick 1,000 a day - unless of course they sell coconuts to the rest of their tribe.
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@LadyDuck (471272)
• Switzerland
6 Jul 20
I cannot understand. Our farmers use animals too, some for heavy jobs, particularly donkeys.
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@LadyDuck (471272)
• Switzerland
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv I have seen the video, they climb up and they throw down the coconuts, some are very well treated, some are not... as all the working animals int he world, because some men are rude and abusive (no matter which animal they use to work, humans included).
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@m_audrey6788 (58472)
• Germany
6 Jul 20
I hope they take good care of those animals
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
They don't, which is what all the fuss is about.
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• Germany
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv That`s not good
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@LadyDuck (471272)
• Switzerland
6 Jul 20
Are they abusing those monkeys? Should we boycott farmers who use horses or cattle to work the soil??? What animals organizations should really do is to be sure that people take good care of animals, even in our countries.
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@LadyDuck (471272)
• Switzerland
6 Jul 20
@MALUSE I have checked some videos to understand the problem. I have seen some monkey very well treated, they go up and down the trees, their instructors give them food and drink. I have seen some instructors using a whip, exactly as some rude farmers do with donkeys and horses.
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@MALUSE (69373)
• Germany
6 Jul 20
I don't understand the problem, either. You surely can't 'make' monkeys pick coconuts if they don't want to do it. Or is there a human being sitting in the palm tree with a whip threatening to hit the monkeys if they don't work? This post asks for further explanation!
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
@LadyDuck @MALUSE Here is the link: This is one instance where there is abuse and something can be done about it. The monkeys are not looked after well.
Major Western retailers have begun to pull Thai coconut products from their shelves amid allegations that the coconuts were picked by inhumanely treated monkeys.
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@Alexandoy (65308)
• Cainta, Philippines
6 Jul 20
I saw one documentary with the monkeys harvesting the coconuts. That is a good trick that they trained the monkeys for.
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@Alexandoy (65308)
• Cainta, Philippines
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv for sure the monkeys are well rewarded.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
@Alexandoy Here is the link: They don't look particularly well rewarded to me.
Major Western retailers have begun to pull Thai coconut products from their shelves amid allegations that the coconuts were picked by inhumanely treated monkeys.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
It depends on the conditions in which they are kept I guess.
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@birjudanak (14320)
• India
6 Jul 20
I think its very fast method to collect coconut and why they boycott as just because its harvest by monkey or monkey took a job of man.
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@birjudanak (14320)
• India
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv What a people saying that its cruel as when they eat animals then they didn't think its cruel.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
@birjudanak Man has been consuming animals for a very long time. I think it is different to treating them cruelly in this manner.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
It is seen as cruel that monkeys are captured from the jungle and expected to harvest 1,000 coconuts in one day.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
6 Jul 20
Apparently monkeys have been used to pick coconuts in Thailand for 400 years. We have used oxen and horses to plough, dogs to herd our sheep and guard our property and cats to keep our farms free of mice and rats. This story blew up, apparently, from a small animal sanctuary in California. They had never been to Thailand to see how the monkeys were treated but they said that "the videos in YouTube were enough evidence". But are a few - possibly biased - videos enough?
Animal advocates were outraged after discovering videos of leashed monkeys picking coconuts in Thailand. But monkey trainers and scientists say it's common practice and doesn't count as abuse.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
7 Jul 20
@JudyEv Actually, I agree with you. I find PETA very often goes over the top but I'm also sure that these monkeys are not always treated well and, besides, they are definitely not domesticated animals as oxen, horses, dogs and cats are.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
I take your point but animal abuse isn't acceptable for any species. The key word is 'abuse'. And if it can be addressed in one small area, then surely it's a good thing. I don't have any time for PETA. Maybe this is an over-the-top reaction but the big conglomerations have run with it.
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@minx267 (15527)
• Hartford, Connecticut
7 Jul 20
Wow!, I hadn't heard about this... it's a good thing for me, I do not like coconut or use it in anything. I would certainly boycott it as well!
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@minx267 (15527)
• Hartford, Connecticut
8 Jul 20
@JudyEv I agree.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
Some are saying it's being blown out of proportion but any cruelty is not good.
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• China
6 Jul 20
I don't think that it is an animal abuse.Picking up coconuts is a piece of cake to monkeys,the problem is how the owners take care of them.
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• China
7 Jul 20
@JudyEv Oh ! It is mean of them to force the monkeys to pick up to 1,000 a day !
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
Expecting the monkeys to pick up to 1,000 a day seems a bit excessive and there is plenty of footage showing they are not being taken care of at all well.
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@simone10 (54187)
• Louisville, Kentucky
6 Jul 20
It breaks my heart to think they could be mistreated. 1000 a day seems like a lot but it depends on how many monkeys they have.
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@simone10 (54187)
• Louisville, Kentucky
11 Jul 20
@JudyEv Oh my, such a sad story. Keeping them tied up to tires or in small cages is inhumane. And taking out their canine teeth, that's just horrible.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
It's up to a thousand a day for each monkey. Here is the link:
Major Western retailers have begun to pull Thai coconut products from their shelves amid allegations that the coconuts were picked by inhumanely treated monkeys.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
12 Jul 20
@simone10 It's awful, isn't it? I'm sure those teeth are there for a purpose.
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@SHOHANA (16093)
• Bangladesh
7 Jul 20
I guess monkeys there would be trained up for this harvesting task
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@SHOHANA (16093)
• Bangladesh
7 Jul 20
@JudyEv what's the reason behind that?
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
@SHOHANA Why are any animal abused? I guess the owners don't want to spend money on looking after them.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
They are but a lot are not looked after properly.
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@moffittjc (121546)
• Gainesville, Florida
6 Jul 20
Is this any different than using oxen to pull a heavy cart, or horses to haul heavy loads. Many animals are put to work on farms and dairy ranches, so this is nothing new. The real question is, do they take good care of the animals? Are they treated fairly, fed well, and given time to rest? At a thousand coconuts a day, it doesn't sound like these poor monkeys are treated well or given time to rest.
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@moffittjc (121546)
• Gainesville, Florida
7 Jul 20
@JudyEv Yeah, change their tactics and get rid of the monkeys and used forced child labor instead. Like they do in the factories in China.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
@moffittjc Good point.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
And the real answer is that no, they don't. Not on some of the farms anyway which are the ones that will need to change their tactics.
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@aninditasen (16377)
• Raurkela, India
7 Jul 20
Monkeys are willy how long can they depend on monkeys. They have to depend on human beings one day.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
The monkeys are kept on leashes so have little chance to escape.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
@aninditasen I'm sure that's true but they do seem to treat the monkeys quite cruelly.
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@aninditasen (16377)
• Raurkela, India
7 Jul 20
@JudyEvBut they are after all animals and moody.
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@fluffy69 (4955)
7 Jul 20
Those monkeys are hungry Thats why they harvest the coconut to survive every day...
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
No, these monkeys are being used to harvest the coconuts for their human masters.
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@fluffy69 (4955)
7 Jul 20
@JudyEv all right ...poor monkeys so sad
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@msdivkar (23359)
• India
6 Jul 20
There are coconut palms all around us here. We use freshly grated coconuts in all our curry products. It is true finding the tree climbers is very difficult and costly affair these days. But I fail to understand how monkeys can be trained to pick the right matured coconuts. The raw coconuts can be used a s a fruit but is not good for cooking or for extracting oil from it.
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@msdivkar (23359)
• India
7 Jul 20
@JudyEv Monkeys must have been trained adequately. What we see in the picture here are just 2 matured coconuts but a coconut tree has got up to 4 or 5 bunches of coconuts of various maturity sometimes amounting to up to 100 coconuts on a tree. It will required a lot of efforts and expertise to train these monkeys.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
Here is a link and video clip about the practice.
Major Western retailers have begun to pull Thai coconut products from their shelves amid allegations that the coconuts were picked by inhumanely treated monkeys.
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@wolfgirl569 (105819)
• Marion, Ohio
6 Jul 20
That is taking jobs away from people
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@wolfgirl569 (105819)
• Marion, Ohio
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv Even well taken care of they are a lot cheaper than people. Then you have the real greedy that figure it dont matter as they can easily get more.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
True, not to mention the dreadful conditions in which the monkeys are kept.
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@gr8nana6 (6614)
• Conyers, Georgia
6 Jul 20
Cheap labor, they don't have to pay wages to humans. As long as they treat the monkeys good I don't see a problem there.
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@gr8nana6 (6614)
• Conyers, Georgia
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv They shouldn't be mistreated I agree with you there.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
The problem is that the monkeys are not treated well. Here is the link:
Major Western retailers have begun to pull Thai coconut products from their shelves amid allegations that the coconuts were picked by inhumanely treated monkeys.
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@thelme55 (76851)
• Germany
6 Jul 20
I have seen a tv report about these monkeys harvesting coconuts in Thailand. An awesome job for the monkeys.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
6 Jul 20
It must be a lot of work to collect hundreds a day.
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@thelme55 (76851)
• Germany
6 Jul 20
@JudyEv I am sure of that. I hope the monkeys can take a rest.
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@nawala123 (20871)
• Indonesia
6 Jul 20
We produce too, unfortunately thailand is more popular
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
Hopefully your country might get more trade because of this.
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@nawala123 (20871)
• Indonesia
7 Jul 20
@JudyEv thailand agroindustry is better than orhers
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@Adie04 (17360)
6 Jul 20
Monkeys are naughty creatures.
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@JudyEv (339433)
• Rockingham, Australia
7 Jul 20
Yes, they are. And very intelligent too.
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@Adie04 (17360)
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