An Interesting Turnaround

@porwest Yes. Please be open-minded about our new President. I think his demeanor will be more accepted around the world. I know he probably will not live up to your expectations policy-wise. Smile!

@LindaOHio I am ALWAYS open mind about any president. I am also always fair in my judgement of what they do. I wish the same could be said about the left unfortunately. Nobody on the left, nor the media, was willing to give Trump any benefit of the doubt, and worse, refused to acknowledge any accomplishments he made. That all said, and many people probably don't remember, there were many instances when I was critical of Trump. I am not one of those who simply gives all my guys a pass and all the other's guys a hard time.

And I won't deny you your vote. Although I will say I think you voted for the person, not the policy. But I am not going to hash that out with you. Your vote, your choice, the American people have spoken...regardless of what or why or whether it was right or wrong... It is the choice we now must live with.

@porwest We will see what happens with the recounts and the lawsuits. Nothing final yet. And this is far from over. And a few states have not been called either.

I think Biden will BE the next president. I have never seen a contested election overturned and nothing suggests this one will be different. All we can do is deal with the consequences this election presents and hope we come out (somehow) on top. This one is VERY different in that we are facing some REAL challenges. But hopefully at least having the Senate stifles most of their agenda. We can only hope. Otherwise we are doomed unfortunately.

@lovebuglena As much as I want to say there is "hope" that somehow Trump pulls off a win despite it all, I think it's pretty much a done deal, and we're simply going to have to deal with Biden.

And that's part of my frustration sometimes. That certain people can't be civil and just disagree on point. Instead what we get is too much name calling and just downright meanness. And to be fair it comes from both sides, but it is way more vitriolic from the left unfortunately. That's just truth. If I disagree with a president, I try to stay focused on the WHY and forget about the guy. Because the guy, to me, doesn't matter. I have said time and time again that Trump was abrasive and crude at times. But I think in the end that doesn't matter. He had good policies that made life better for most Americans. On the flip side, I have also said Obama was a likeable guy. But he was a lousy president with damaging policies. We used to vote policy. Now we are voting personality. And I think that's dangerous. We just removed an effective president and replaced him with one who has not been effective the past 47 years of his existence in politics, and that just makes no sense to me. But here we are.

@porwest They seem to be pre decided about this.

How can we hope for that now? The democrats over the past four years set the stage for anything but a peaceful transition.

That would be a fine thing to say if that is what the left would have said four years ago. NOW all of a sudden we're just supposed to accept the outcome simply because it agrees with THEIR desired result? Ridiculous. The time for decorum was four years ago.

@Nakitakona Beginning of WHAT is what I fear.

@porwest Let bygone be bygone. The new beginnings are here.

Based on everything he campaigned on, I can find no good for us or anyone else for that matter. We shall see. I can only hope I am wrong.

@Butterfingers I only hope for an HONEST debate. All of a sudden the left is acting like they took the election well over the last four years, and are trying to claim they just followed along like good, honest people, when in reality that cannot be farther from the truth. Suddenly they have forgotten the last four years and how they acted when they lost the election. They were FAR from good sports.

@porwest hopefully I posted a thread for it and hopefully we can have more opinions

Violence usually does not come from the right. It comes from the left. So I have no worries about that part of it. But I do hope there can be some resolution of some sort at least.

This is a line I have heard several times, which is true on the surface, but untrue in reality. She may have "officially" conceded. But in interview after interview for the past four years she stated that she actually won the election, that Trump stole it from her, and that the Russians colluded. It is not okay for the left to rewrite history here, as much as you all want that to be. And in fact, the left did worse. It was a four year impeachment process if you will remember. Four years of denial of the election results. Four years of bashing the president. Four years of doing everything in their power to try to overturn the will of the people. For the left to now claim this wasn't the case and somehow the right is unjustified in at least QUESTIONING things is absurd. To deny that none of this happened for the past four years and to claim that the left is doing things "above board" now is completely dishonest. To make the assertion now that somehow the left is beyond "behaving badly over a lost election" is also ridiculous at best.

Nothing he said in his campaign and nothing he has done in 47 years in politics suggests he has the slightest clue of what is good for America.