A Serious Question: Please Read to the End
By Jim Bauer
@porwest (92696)
United States
March 2, 2022 11:06am CST
I know, I know. It's controversial to say that the election might have been stolen in 2020. But remember how convinced so many people were that it happened in 2016? We launched investigation after investigation over it. Hilary Clinton said it many times, "The election was stolen."
Yet, when Trump said it, all you got was "Don't be ridiculous."
I am not even SAYING with absolute certainty that the election in 2020 was stolen—although there is a strong cynical part of me that thinks that it seems very likely that it was indeed.
But that's not what I want people to focus on here. I am looking for level headed thinking. I am looking for people to at least consider the possibility and open up the question in their minds.
Can an election be stolen? And what does it mean for America? What does it mean for the integrity and sanctity of our very important vote?
I think somewhere along the line we are being too dismissive just because so many people hated Trump and are happy to be rid of him.
But to what end? At what consequence? If Trump actually did win and Biden did not, does this not at least give you some fear that one day an election may be stolen by someone with evil intent?
Think about this another way. We have long said in this country that because of our election system, ever having a dictator is impossible.
Is that actually true if someone CAN steal an election?
All I am saying is that we have to at least be open to the idea. Maybe today it's a guy like Biden who does not have the capacity to rule like a king. But what if there is someone in the deep trenches of the deep state who wants that kind of power? How do the American people protect themselves from this?
By asking questions and really diving into the meat of the matter to see if maybe there WAS something not above board here.
If we find there was nothing, no harm no foul. We just move on.
From many people who have cheered on the Biden win, many of them have said, "People just got tired of Trump and he lost his support."
That is actually not true.
And therein lies the problem. Donald J. Trump got 10 million MORE votes in 2020 than he got in 2016.
That means, not only did he not LOSE supporters. He GAINED 10 million MORE of them.
At the same time, Biden received more votes than any other elected president in American history.
Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. But doesn't it at least make one scratch their heads just a little bit? Doesn't this sort of remind of us other certain countries with dictators who somehow always get 90% of the vote?
Keep in mind that voter turnout in 2020 was not unusually high. So, where did all these extra votes come in to sway the reelection of a president who received millions more votes than he did in 2016?
Again, I am not saying absolutely that Trump won the election. I am merely stepping back as a concerned American citizen and wanting to know what really happened and how.
Country first. That's me. I don't care about left or right. I don't care about republican or democrat. I care about America. I care about our republic. I care about the future of our country and the continuation and spread of democracy.
All I want to know is the truth. And beyond that, I want to know that Americans care regardless of what the outcome of the election happens to be. I want to know that we can put America before all other things as the most important thing—even if our side in the end does not win.
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@thedevilinme (4157)
• Northampton, England
2 Mar 22
Trump didnt seem to want recounts where he won
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@thedevilinme (4157)
• Northampton, England
3 Mar 22
@porwest He wanted recounts in areas he narrowly lost, not in areas he narrowly won.
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@porwest (92696)
• United States
3 Mar 22
@thedevilinme This post has nothing to do with whether or not Trump won or lost. It has nothing to do with who asked for recounts and where or even why. This post is not even about Trump or Joe Biden. Perhaps read it again? lol
@RebeccasFarm (90481)
• Arvada, Colorado
2 Mar 22
The problem that I have with all of this is that I am sure some voted in offense to Trump, simply because their hatred for him was so vengeful, that they voted for whoever was not him, whether his adversary was competent or not. Voting with a head not hate would be better.
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@lovebuglena (44731)
• Staten Island, New York
2 Mar 22
I am sure that is true for many. They voted for Biden simply because they hate Trump and wanted him gone. And that's not the right way to vote.
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@RebeccasFarm (90481)
• Arvada, Colorado
4 Mar 22
@lovebuglena Thanks Lena. Seems their quest for vengeance ruled their logic.
@lovebuglena (44731)
• Staten Island, New York
4 Mar 22
@RebeccasFarm I am not registered to vote and so not sure how it works but I think a person should vote for the person they believe is the best candidate to run the country, regardless of which political party they are from or what the voter personally thinks of them as a person. As an example: If you may dislike Trump as a person but if he is a better person to run the country than Biden in your opinion then you vote for Trump not Biden. You being in general terms.
@FourWalls (69101)
• United States
2 Mar 22
The 2020 election had an all-time record turnout for voters, so sure Trump got 10 million more votes. But you have to remember that Trump LOST the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes in 2016.
No, I don’t think the election was “stolen.” I agree with you, however, that the things that happened in 2016 (Hillary’s “the election was stolen,” the calls for the Electoral College to NOT cast their votes for Trump) were accepted without question, but were screamed at in 2020.
Herein lies the fatal wound in the United States: the notion that “my party” (whichever party the person in question follows) can do anything and it’s fine but the same or worse behavior from “the other party” is anathema (see: Gerry Studds and the underage congressional page scandal versus Trump and the cries of misogyny because he said things about women’s body parts….or vice versa). We have reached the point in this country where no Democrat would give Trump credit for curing cancer, or no Republican would give Biden credit for the same accomplishment. And that is killing us.
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@just4him (317277)
• Green Bay, Wisconsin
2 Mar 22
A question. Are they putting any policies in place to make certain the election can't be stolen in the future? Is history going to repeat itself with another Civil War with a divided America? Where will all this end?
I hope we don't get a dictatorship which was the purpose behind the Revolutionary War. We didn't want a monarchy. If elections can be stolen, that is what we will have. A dictatorship.
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@Deepizzaguy (104278)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
2 Mar 22
It does concern me that elections in our nation can be rigged in favor of a leader that is not ready to lead us into prosperity again like Donald Trump did during his presidency.
Hopefully we will learn our lesson and elect a leader that will make us great again even if the media despises him or her.
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@florelway (23286)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
2 Mar 22
As they say people is the government. Election is a democratic exercise. Whoever wins, it's his fate and we follow and respect the outcome of the election. If the numbers are rigged who can prove it?
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@porwest (92696)
• United States
2 Mar 22
Oh, it can definitely be proven if the right people look into it. And I think it is important that we take it very seriously and do it. It is still difficult to get people involved in auditing and checking to not be biased. But there have been times in the past where we have investigated serious infractions in elections and held those accountable.
The last one was Watergate.
It is a very serious issue that needs to be taken very seriously. It matters, and it should matter to everyone regardless of what outcome winds up being the correct one.
If Trump lost I don't like it. But that the election was fair and the voice of the people was heard and the integrity of the election was sound?
THAT'S far more important than my guy sitting in the big chair.
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@thedevilinme (4157)
• Northampton, England
6 Mar 22
137.5 million US Citizens voted in 2015, 158.4m voted in 2020, why Trump got ten million more and, as you can see, Biden earned the Democrats 10 million more votes. American voted the idiot out rather than Biden in, is the way to look at it..