Limitation act, temples, and crimes..
By vanny
@vandana7 (100303)
India
May 24, 2022 1:31am CST
Simplistically put, under the limitation act, if you do not raise voice against something you are not agreeable to within a specified time frame, then it is deemed as everything is hunky dory. Time frame however differs for different things. So if a spouse disappears for seven years in India, that becomes equivalent to a death. Likewise, if a property is in adverse possession, for specified number of years, the rights to and claims on it are lost forever.
I do not know how the rights will be if the properties are conquered and taken over like Russia is doing now in Ukraine.
We have ancient temples, which were destroyed and mosques set up in their place.
I am inclined to believe possibility of their destruction to set up a place of worship is unlikely. More likely that most of them were destroyed due to natural calamity or even the cannons of war. Once deserted it became easier for others to set up their places of worship. The crucial word there is...DESERTED. Whether out of fear or because the structure was lost, the premises of temples was deserted. That brings in limitation act. So should the application for reinstatement be entertained.
I think not. The present generation of Muslims did not commit the crime of demolishing the temple. They have their belief in the place of worship that is there right now. Hindus have stopped praying there for ages. Merely because there was an ancient Hindu temple there does not mean the right to worship there exists. Like that, every place will have history, some of which would be decipherable, other not. How far are we willing to go. Gyanvaipi temple was not built during the lifetime of Rama or Shiva to hanker for it so much.
What changed after taking over Ayodhya premises? Gang rapes are still around. Murders, drugs, corruption are still around. In fact COVID came after Ayodhya was surrendered to Hindus. We are in no better position than we were before we got that Ayodhya temple premises. How then can we claim we have our god's blessings?
But I digress..
Here, I said we cannot punish children for the acts of their ancestors. Our faith in Gyanvapi is lost anyway. At least let them follow their faith instead of feeling hurt for no fault of theirs. And can we Hindus be sure that we did not demolish a Buddhist structure to build Gyanvapi temple? History always offers incomplete information, so should we come up with fights based on it in present era? I don't agree with it.
Despite my view that parents and grandparents of drug peddlers, rapists, etc., should be punished as should be their descendents for a few generations.
I confine the punishments to 2 generations up and 4 generations down as the intensity of feelings whatever they may be does die out by then.
But bringing up issues for which there existed no feelings is the best way to irritate some people and ensure hatred persists.
Your thoughts.
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6 responses
@franxav (13841)
• India
24 May 22
It is saddening to see that a section of Hindus have made intolerance a policy. The limitation time law holds no meaning with them. Gyanbapi mosque now, they have already started speaking about Mathura, Jama Musjid, Kutub Minar etc. and by the way they are being allowed to incite hatred, some day they may rage these places to the ground like they did at Ayodhya.
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@vandana7 (100303)
• India
24 May 22
It is like saying...oh you are not unhappy with your neighbors? Oh but you should be. Here is the reason why. If we say it doesn't make sense to be raking up issues about which we do not feel passionately, we get hounded as "liberandoos". I feel they don't want to give peace a chance. And why should I feel bad about a community that has been exploiting others from same community?
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@LadyDuck (471498)
• Switzerland
24 May 22
Would you like to be punished if one of your ancestor did something wrong? We are already punished enough being obliged to come to this world and to live a difficult life. Each one must pay for his/her sins, not their ancestors and descendents.
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@vandana7 (100303)
• India
24 May 22
Not ancestors whom I don't know. Definitely not. LOL. Who knows they might have molested or raped me. LOL
But if my grandfather or great grandfather or father did something wrong, yes, I must pay the price if I have gained monetarily because of it. Likewise, it is my duty to bring up my child well. If I spend time enjoying other things and overlooking problems or even resenting when others point problems in my child, then I need to be punished. My love for my child should not overtake my duty towards the society. That is what I meant to say.
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@vandana7 (100303)
• India
24 May 22
@LadyDuck Only till grandfather actually. I think we realize whether they are doing wrong or right based on what is going on in our households. Issues are always discussed. Unlike in your world, where family members are clear about boundaries, we have overlapping obligations. So if a husband kills, wife and children and parents try to cover up the crime. If father cheats somebody and takes away properties, and children inherit it, returning it back helps to calm the pain some I feel.
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
4 Jun 22
"But bringing up issues for which there existed no feelings..." - I am aware of those feelings since early childhood, so I cannot agree that it is something new or recent. To be honest, your 4th paragraph is trying to provide a peaceful explanation but without sources. Gyanvapi anyway is wrong example as no one deserts "parts" of a structure... Haunted, then?
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@hora_fugit (5862)
• India
4 Jun 22
@vandana7 Temples are religious places, and some have been "deserted" because of religious values/standards not met. And these temple still exist, with no other structure built on top of those.
In the article, most of the places are deserted entirely (not only temples or establishments), as I noticed... Though I do wonder whether it wants the cellular jail to be full again, probably with the old glory of Kaala Paani.
RSS never held a position that all the mosques should be demolished. And it has been far more "friendly" in recent times, losing from both ends in the process.
In some other discussion I read it being mentioned that politicians (and/or leaders) are the proponents of this distrust and division. That is not true...
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@vandana7 (100303)
• India
4 Jun 22
@hora_fugit "RSS never held a position that all the mosques should be demolished. "
An average Indian is easy to influence. Many are uneducated so give them a 500 rupee note, they gonna say you are right. Their need is such. There are others who want to fall in the groove lest they be isolated in the society. So they don't really have "a position" but keep agreeing fearing isolation. Third group simply has no time to think about anything day to day life is so busy either because they have to struggle to move up the ladder or survive, or because they are in senior positions and have plenty of loans and employees and manufacturing issues so if a friend or formerly liked source is saying something ..they gonna agree because they have offloaded thinking to somebody else LOL. Some curry favors so they are gonna agree too.
It is therefore easy for UNSCRUPULOUS politicians to turn the wave towards them. Notwithstanding what is RSS' stand. Example is that Raj Thakre. They turn violent. It is difficult to restrain such forces once we start something.
I also wanted to know what blessings we have gotten from Shri Ramji following Ayodhya verdict, we have gang rapes we have terrorists troubling us we have had floods and we have had COVID and now we have inflation troubling us. This was not supposed to happen, was it?
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@vandana7 (100303)
• India
4 Jun 22
People do desert temples as far as I know. There are many that ASI can update for tourism because they have incredible and unbelievable art work in it. Nobody worships there.
No I am not providing peaceful solution. I would say 9 out 10 Hindus do not feel about either Gyanvapi or Ayodhya. Of them 6 back those who feel because of anti Muslim feelings rather than love for our religion or culture.
I am glad ..RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat has realized that all mosques need not be demolished.
The richest temples were left alone, which is a mystery right?
While in some cases yes, temples were destroyed and mosques were built, there, I would think most temples offered ready made structure with damage either due to wars plundering or natural calamities, which was used up. Qutub Minar has our god's there, because somebody may have sold the stones to the contractor building that minar ..stones from a temple that was damaged by earthquake or fire? One wonders.
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@LindaOHio (178869)
• United States
24 May 22
We should not pay for the sins of our ancestors. In this country, many times people think that we should pay for the sins of OUR ancestors.
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@LindaOHio (178869)
• United States
25 May 22
@vandana7 In this country you could contest the will. The family usually wins.
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