Enough is enough or not........

@JimBo452020 Surrender would encourage Putin to attack elsewhere. He seeks to reestablish the Soviet Union.

@JimBo452020 Exactly my feelings........ too many deaths will be there for no good reason. Even if people win, will it be victory? And what would be the world be like ..in such a scenario.

@JamesHxstatic I agree on that too. Surrendering will encourage Putin and even other Russian leaders. That said, it will create a nation that is not likely to have people with their hearts in it. Lifeless nation. Not fun.

Neither do I see Putin stopping there... but of what use destroying everything of Ukraine, more of its culture, its people. Ukraine has never been on our side. That still does not make me feel ..they should be dying... this is not the way to resolve issues. Innocents should not suffer. My heart aches for them. I would feel the same way if it was a pakistani child who was suffering.

@vandana7 It is certainly an awful state of affairs.

That is right...there is a limit to life loss that people find acceptable in wars. This is simply not acceptable. Moreover, with fear of getting deeply involved and losing possibly soldiers who were there yesterday not today...who possibly saved lives ...it makes people even in armed forces demoralized and wondering if their leaders are thinking of them. Added to that is loss of lives of loved ones......how is one to cope with stress like that? And the fear that this is not going to end ...but only stretch into nuclear confrontation. You bet, everybody wants to flee the situation. I could not call it anti national.

@LadyDuck If there is a possibility of winning, I would say yes. There is no possibility of winning. Absolutely no possibility. Zelensky is doing this for history.... but ...history can be better. Why must people die and army be demoralized. For now, surrender, then take your chances...when everything is better. Or negotiate with Russia rightly. As I understand it, Russia is miffed. It spent its resources to develop some of the regions expecting returns which would help to improve the other regions. Then glasnost and perestroika happened, the richer regions separated out, offering no dividends for the investments of the past, which led to even the poorer regions breaking off, as they felt short changed. I do believe Putin has a reason, if that is the truth.

@vandana7 - Trying to free your country is fine, but killing all the population only to WIN is wrong. For him now is more about his ego than about his population. My father was at the Italian front during WWII, he told me how much they had enough of war after one year. When it stopped they were all so exhausted that they were ready to give up, no matter the winner. The Ukrainian Ambassador here in Switzerland said yesterday that it will be horrible for Ukraine if all those who left decide not to go back. If Zelensky does not change, all those refugees will never go back.

Old lives are definitely not possible anymore. But it would be a chance to survive.

@vandana7 true. and nowadays there are many greedy people who wants power and money

@vandana7 Old lives are not possible? What does that mean?

I am glad we stood up to Hitler in WWII.

We humans are weird. We do so much research. We establish facilities for ourselves ..collecting taxes. Then comes a stupid man ...deciding that something or someone is wrong ... convinces others and starts a war, destroying whatever was painstakingly built...taking away lives in process. Weird, weird..........weird.

@TheHorse Expansion is scary anytime... but this is more of a feeling of being short changed. And back then, we were not nuclear nations.

In nuclear world, do you think that is feasible? As I see it...there are three options... Option 1....give up. What do we gain? Nothing. Part of Ukraine will go to Russia...major territory as you said. Option 2. Fight it to bitter end What do we gain? Nothing. Ukrainians die, they get resented elsewhere....Russia still gets the territory unless we start nuclear war. In which event, the entire set of nuclear nations gets dragged into the war ......like a whirlpool dragging it all in. If that happens citizens of other nations also suffer. Their infrastructure will also get destroyed. Option 3 ... Negotiate Why is this war happening, what is the reason ...who is feeling some injustice has happened, is it real or perceived..what could be a just solution. Some compromises are inevitable ...but they would be worth it, to help a nation survive and to establish better order. As you said, this is what we should have done during Crimea takeover.

@JamesHxstatic I feel countries should come up with Ukraine openly. Maybe they are scared that it may not turn into a world war if they do so.

@vandana7 All of Ukraine would go to Russia and Putin is already planning for Moldava and what's next? Poland for helping Ukraine? Putin is a mad, power-hungry despot.

It is an impossible situation, isn't it? West will not step in with nuclear weapons lest their own countries be bombed with nuclear weapons. This means, Russia always has the upper hand. So far, Ukraine's resources are what have kept Russia holding back that nuclear attack. But there may come a time when patience is lost.

@kaylachan How true...one person holding a child in arm...this is what needs to survive...not I...

@vandana7 And, the two of them can go at it. No one wins. It just takes one of them to say stop.

It is quite like stock markets. You should know when to cut your losses. So many lives are lost, yes. But there is no way Ukraine is gonna win this war. West will not give it nuclear weapons. Russia could use those. So there is no hope........ It is only a time ...during which more lives will be lost. Armed forces will get demoralized. The country would be lost. Along with life there. How then is the war won? Remember Kalinga? Emperor Ashok destroyed it completely? Taking a moral high is not logical in this. Zelensky is admirable...but here, he should court shame...to ensure survival of Ukrainians.

@sjvg1976 Who said they will be slaves? Russia will kill Ukrainians even if they don't surrender. LOL I explained the possible cause for this war in Anna's box...from what another person explained to me. I think there is some justification for Putin's action. As I said, I do not know everything about this situation. Nevertheless, I do believe some Ukranians were keen to align with Russia, whereas others with NATO. It was for the leaders to find a way that would not lead to conflict. I believe it can still be found, if egos are kept aside.

@vandana7 But it's not good to live as slaves. Russia is going to kill Ukrainians if they get hold of Ukraine.

We have not learned to prevent wars. We have not focused on negotiation skills. We have not established a culture of fairness that will prevent any disputes escalating abnormally. If West continues to help, chances of this escalating to nuclear level are rather high.

You are very clear in your mind about it. I am not. In fact, I might have given up within the first week...........nobody needs to die for a decision of mine. If I have not managed to convince others that it is the right decision, then it is my fault. Oh I admire Zelensky. But there is only one outcome of the course he is on. With surrender, there can be other outcome. I would take my chances.

@TheHorse Point 1...........What does he stand to gain with it, and what does the rest of the world stand to lose with that? Point 2.... Isn't the choice ......Soviet Union (former) vs....... elimination of Europe and America? Which is more devastating? Point 3.... Has the breaking down of soviet union damaged the economy of Russia? I think not. Point 4... Is there a better way around it all? I would think so.... Once upon a time, there were three nations.........Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania... they were separate nations and yet they collaborated on all the things...TILL Idi Amin came into picture in Uganda.

@vandana7 As @JamesHxstatic said, Putin wants to recreate the Soviet Union.

I am not Ok with the west supporting Ukraine with war. I would rather they helped to mediate used their offices for that...then the things will not escalate...and then there is hope that the issues will subside.

@CarolDM Me too. :(

@vandana7 Good to hear you also do not support this action. Right now I see no hope if things continue as they are.

Men don't give birth to babies. So they don't care what happens...I feel. I know that is unreasonable...and biased....but men usually take a firm stand towards war, while I feel every life saved is good.

@MarieCoyle Yes. It does. Ask the Japanese. And ask the Chinese...how their pension funds are behaving.

@vandana7 And, every life matters very much.